Veszpremi?

[Lucky Knickers]

in her defence, she didn't know she was ogling such a young man- his facebook profile said he was older.

raotflmao

Either Jon/John Stevens (Swans or Noiseworks) = HOT!

[Donners]

Patty is smoulderingly HOT and if it's one thing the Swans need it is a replacement for Jonny Stevens and Brad Seymour.

They in turn replaced Minton-Connell and Nettlebeck, didn't they?

[hammo]

Love the way Vesz goes about his footy. Rioli burst onto the scene but I am sure Vesz will be a great player for us when finally given the chance. Every team needs a game breaker which some associate with selfishness (don't necessarily agree with selfish tag but is a tag commonly given to him in the reserves reports). We wouldn't have won in 2005 without individual flair, and for all Geelong's teamwork Steve Johnson is pretty selfish around goals.

As I recall Vesz was recruited primarily for his attack on the ball. Had we got our way we would have also ended up with Dustin Martin this year as we tried to trade away our first two picks (Rohan & Jetta). Too many what ifs... It's interesting how things pan out but in the end it's mostly swings and roundabouts (unless you're Richmond).

[ScottH]

So when looking for the hottest young talent on draft day. It has a double meaning.

[Brettb]

Patty was a boom or bust pick, similar to Rohan, but it is way, way, way too early to tell. He's 20 and missed a massive chunk of time last year due to injury, and that was a contact injury (finger)? In all honesty, and this is an absurd statement I'm sure but not at all a one-eyed fan thing, I'm far from 100% convinced that Cyril is a better player than Patty.

Of that list the one guy I'd take right now over him is Harry Taylor, but over the course of a career I'm not even sure about that. Patty has something, those other guys all do in their own way, but to me Patty has soooooooooooooomething.

You must be joking surely, either that or you are a very poor judge of talent.

Rioli is a bona fide star, who himself has battled injury over his short career. However unlike Pat, he has still managed to string some unbeleivable games together as opposed to struggling to make an impact in our seconds in Canberra.

[stellation]

You must be joking surely, either that or you are a very poor judge of talent.

Rioli is a bona fide star, who himself has battled injury over his short career. However unlike Pat, he has still managed to string some unbeleivable games together as opposed to struggling to make an impact in our seconds in Canberra.

I'm not joking, and I don't think I'm a very poor judge of talent either; I did acknowledge that I was sure it was an absurd statement, but it is my opinion (and at that all I said was that I wasn't 100% convinced that Cyril is a better player).

Rioli is a very good young player, but I do think that his reputation is helped a little by playing for a big club like Hawthorn, playing in a Grand Final and also playing for a club where there hasn't been much competition for his position; calling him a bona fide star when he averages around 14 1/2 touches a game (and a heap of tackles, granted) highlights that in my opinion.

For some perspective, looking at our own young indigenous wunderkind, people on here have suggested that Lewis Jetta doesn't get enough of it and could do with a spell in the magoos; he averages around 13 1/2 touches a game. Obviously Cyril has kicked more goals than 0 (he spends a lot more time in the forward line, and is kicking a touch over 1 a game), and has more tackles (which I daresay Lewis may have racked up as well if he didn't play on the wing). Dan Hanneberry- getting it nearly 20 times a game... nobody is calling either of them a bona fide star, they're both just good young players that could become a star.

But I digress... Patty vs. Cyril, all I'm saying is that I'm not 100% sold that Cyril is the better player purely because they're both only 20 and have been in pretty different situations. Who the hell knows.

[Hartijon]

Cyrol Rioli is a star, a brilliant game breaker,who demands a top defender to prevent him carving up the opposition. Who knows what the GC or GWS would give for him??
Vezspremi plays for the Sydney Swans Reserves.He can't get a game even though we have been racked with injuries. Lets deal with reality please! His looks are irrelevant.We should not even be comparing them and I am a Vespa fan and want him in the team.

[Plugger46]

I'm not joking, and I don't think I'm a very poor judge of talent either; I did acknowledge that I was sure it was an absurd statement, but it is my opinion (and at that all I said was that I wasn't 100% convinced that Cyril is a better player).

Rioli is a very good young player, but I do think that his reputation is helped a little by playing for a big club like Hawthorn, playing in a Grand Final and also playing for a club where there hasn't been much competition for his position; calling him a bona fide star when he averages around 14 1/2 touches a game (and a heap of tackles, granted) highlights that in my opinion.

For some perspective, looking at our own young indigenous wunderkind, people on here have suggested that Lewis Jetta doesn't get enough of it and could do with a spell in the magoos; he averages around 13 1/2 touches a game. Obviously Cyril has kicked more goals than 0 (he spends a lot more time in the forward line, and is kicking a touch over 1 a game), and has more tackles (which I daresay Lewis may have racked up as well if he didn't play on the wing). Dan Hanneberry- getting it nearly 20 times a game... nobody is calling either of them a bona fide star, they're both just good young players that could become a star.

But I digress... Patty vs. Cyril, all I'm saying is that I'm not 100% sold that Cyril is the better player purely because they're both only 20 and have been in pretty different situations. Who the hell knows.

Good post, thinking outside the square. Clearly a few over-reacted to your original post. Rioli's obviously well ahead because he's played a lot more footy but I still have very high hopes for Vez.

Cyril has been soundly beaten several times this year. You never hear anyone mention that.

[Mr Magoo]

I thought I read an earlier thread this year where it said that Vezpremi had overdeveloped his physique in some way that was a concern for the training staff. If so maybe its just that its taken a while to get his body right and he is getting closer to the physique that allow him to play firsts. I dotn think the swans coaching staff would be so shortsighted as to keep a player back in reserves if their form and fitness were right and the only supposed "issue" was an exuberant personality.

I think its also a bit of a stretch to also link this type of personality to "non team player" status. "Team player" is sometimes used to often as a term for an ordinary player who cant be anything else but a "team player" as they lack the skill, confidence or ablitity to break the game open themselves or take the difficult shot.

[caj23]

Cyrol Rioli is a star, a brilliant game breaker,who demands a top defender to prevent him carving up the opposition. Who knows what the GC or GWS would give for him??
Vezspremi plays for the Sydney Swans Reserves.He can't get a game even though we have been racked with injuries. Lets deal with reality please! His looks are irrelevant.We should not even be comparing them and I am a Vespa fan and want him in the team.

Cyril is a good player but he is easily the most overrated in the league. I think you've been brainwashed by Bruce!!

As for Vez, I like what I've seen so far and expect him to play a large part in the 2nd half of the season.

[Hartijon]

Cyril is a good player but he is easily the most overrated in the league. I think you've been brainwashed by Bruce!!

As for Vez, I like what I've seen so far and expect him to play a large part in the 2nd half of the season.

Cyril Rioli the most overrated player in the League??? I could give you a long list of players that would come before him starting with Chris Judd. I admit i haven't seen a lot of him and no doubt he still gets beaten sometimes,he is after all very young but what i have seen is sensational,game turning stuff. He makes something out of nothing and his tackling is tremendous. He would definately make our top 22 and at this stage is a much better player than Vezpa.The future (which some people seem to have strong opinions about) is pure speculation so not worth discussing! Any one of 3 different opinions could be right or wrong. Lets get back to reality.

[Captain]

I don't subscribe to this theory...the draft is littered with 100s of, 'we should have' picks. There were 50 odd clubs before us that could have picked Adam Goodes as an example. It can be very hit and miss.

Normally I would agree. But the Rioli pick was so obvious, I remember being disappointed on draft day that we didn't get him.

IMO Rioli, whilst over rated, is and will be a much, much better player then Vez. Would love to be wrong though!

[CJK]

Looks like most of the people here have been drinking the Vez-Juice again.

Bit gross.

[Bloody Hell]

I like Vez...but I fear I will be crushed much in the same way I was when Davis was unceremoniously booted. From the reserves reports there seems to be too many similarities.

Future failed Blood Brother.

[Damien]

I like Vez...but I fear I will be crushed much in the same way I was when Davis was unceremoniously booted. From the reserves reports there seems to be too many similarities.

Future failed Blood Brother.

No Kirk, No Roos in 2011 might mean the year of Vez!

Just like Eade didn't like Kirk, but flourished under Roos, there are going to be some players that flourish under Longmire that didn't work with Roos (we have a full forward as coach, surely he will like some cheeky flair!)