Mitchell watch

[Faunac8]

Just can't understand why Sam Reid's name keeps surfacing. I would say that if you asked the Swans coaching/list management team to list the value of their players in order of importance, Reid would come at least in the top ten, if not higher. Throw in the All Australians, plus Heeney and Mills, and Grundy, I suspect Reid would be next.

You don't get guys that size who are as quick as lightning.

Looking at your list in the above post (and more importantly those not on it), Ludwig, Reid would rank much higher than Cunningham, Lloyd, Papley, Smith, Jones, Laidlaw, Rose, Davis, Nankervis, Sinclair, Robinson, Hewitt, Marsh, Dawson, X Richards and probably K Jack and McVeigh..

I know this is the silly season, but surely not the insane season!

Reid could potentially rank higher then the players mentioned but to say he is currently In the top ten on our list is optimistic at best. Put together 10- 15 consistent games and then let's re assess. Harsh but that's footy

[Faunac8]

" If he's fit he's one of the first players picked. No arguments"
Sorry ready to argue. Three years ago I would have agree with you but not now . I also wonder what the salary cap impact is currently on his contract if and when he returns from the LTIL . We complain about Mitchell being paid overs remember Sam was signed on a five year contract on very good coin

[SeanM]

I think Sam Reid is a player with a lot of potential upside, he is still young and it is hard to draft a quality key forward. We also don't have a lot of depth in the forward line.

I don't think the club should trade him out for low value just to get him off the salary cap.

[Ludwig]

Nothing wrong with differing opinions. But I can't fathom the reasoning that Reid will be keeping others out of the team. If he's fit he's one of the first players picked. No arguments. As to freeing salary cap space, you don't cut your cream to make way for somebody who may turn out half as good. If we need room for new talent, there'd be fifteen blokes you'd send packing before Sam.

BTW We are not cutting Mitchell. If he leaves it will be because he gets more money elsewhere which we don't want to or can't match since we have elite mid fielders coming out our ears. Reid is a fish of a different color. We don't have a plethora of elite tall talent. You wouldn't let him go to keep XR in a million years.

It's not just about rating players and keeping your best and letting others go. It's a very complex problem that list managers face, especially in this age of free agency.

We managed to win the minor premiership and are favorites to be Premiers without Reid playing a single game, so he's clearly not critical to our success. We seem to be doing just fine without him. I think Reid makes us an even better side, but maybe only marginally better with our present group of players.

There have been plenty of comments about how we lost one of the best ruckmen in the AFL for a pick 35. Biggs and Membrey left for nothing, because we couldn't offer them opportunities quick enough and they had little trade value. We were in a weak negotiating position so we lost 3 very good players for next to nothing. We don't want to be training players for other clubs to benefit.

It's worth considering a trade for any player coming out of contract and entering free agency a year before that happens, which increases the club's bargaining position. As for Reid, I think we should extend his contract this year if we really want to keep him or seek to trade him before he becomes a free agent. We should be able to test where he stands.

Signing Reid to a long term contract will likely close the door on Abe Davis and Jordan Dawson. There's not an obvious spot for them even without Reid on our list. It's too early to say what level they will reach in their careers, but it wouldn't surprise me if both go on to have better careers than Sam Reid. I don't want to see them walk to other clubs for nothing.

[707]

The rarest and therefore most valuable players are KPF and that's with daylight second. Look at all the best KPF and they are high draftees or shenanigans like F/S or start up concessions.

That makes Sam Reid one of our most valuable players because you need high draft picks to find one. Sam's going nowhere.

[CureTheSane]

Is Sam a KPF?
Last I heard he was still in the backline...

[707]

Is Sam a KPF? Last I heard he was still in the backline...

And were are hardly brim full of KPD either, the back up for Grundy and Aliir is?????

Yes Sam has had injuries and yes his form can be patchy but for a KP player he is still young. Just remember he is a versatile athletic 196cm mark clunker and they are difficult to find. If you watch some of the games from last year when he was fit, you wouldn't be talking about trading Sam out for what would be little reward.

We have probably not done Sam any favours either by playing him everywhere to plug holes, a bit like we did with Rohan who is now showing value by being settled into a primarily fwd role. Can't see Sam in anything other than red and white next year.

[Nico]

Is Sam a KPF?
Last I heard he was still in the backline...

Sam has been a bit of a bits and pieces player. Can't kick for goal for nuts, marks well around the ground, not a great field kick, reads the play ok when on the ball but hasn't shown me anything to suggest he is a key position back man. I reckon trade him while other clubs think he has currency. On Fox Footy they wax lyrical about the optimum age of mid twenties. Trade him while can get a 2nd round draft pick for him. As Ireland said on SEN last week; we will be looking to draft youth. Still reckon that if we were hell bent on keeping him we would have re signed him by now.

[CureTheSane]

To anyone who will pick up his tab

[Ludwig]

Here is a projected list for next season assuming Mitchell and Towers are traded. It's pretty strong even with those 2 gone and there are plenty of good players vying for senior spots in the projected reserves side. That's why I'm not concerned about letting Mitchell go and we will still be okay even if Reid is traded or leaves as a free agent next year. We can start planning for Buddy's retirement with our next draft.

2017
	Starter	Starter	Starter	Emer	Reserve 1	Reserve 2
FB	Aliir	Grundy	Smith	Cunningham	Robbo	Brown
HB	Newman	Talia	Rampe	X Richards	Dawson	Murray
C	Mills	Hanners	K Jack	O'Riordan	Nanka	Leonardis
F	Naismith	Kennedy	Parker	Laidler	B Jack
HF	Rohan	Franklin	Heeney	Rose	Davis	McGlynn
FF	Reid	Tippett	Papley	Marsh	Foote	Johnson
INT	Jones	Hewett	McVeigh	Lloyd	Sinclair

[Nico]

TALIA in the starting team! You can't be serious. Give Talia the lemonade and sars and put in Allir at CHB. Marsh goes into the back pocket. Reid gets flicked for X and moves to the Pies to replace Cloke.

See you snuck Newman in there. You are all over him like a Del Monti suit.

[707]

Talia is very much unproven, couldn't consistently get into the Bulldogs starting 22 and has really shown us nothing to suggest he is of AFL standard. Big leap of faith to believe he will make it and needs to clean up his drug habit as well. Better to just pretend he is not on the list at this stage and await developments.

KPF is where we need to concentrate and they are very hard to come by, typically get drafted high and we don't have high draft picks. It's what makes any talk of trading out Reid such lunacy as he has the makings of a KPF. Note how Hawthorn are linked to that soft as butter lemon Vickery, that's how hard KPF are to obtain.

An excellent thread about KPF drafting on the BF Swans forum named List Management 101. Should be compulsory reading for everyone before they post about trading and drafting! Do yourself a favour and read it.

[Faunac8]

An excellent thread about KPF drafting on the BF Swans forum named List Management 101. Should be compulsory reading for everyone before they post about trading and drafting! Do yourself a favour and read it.

Why do we have to read this is it your work ? Or does it only carry opinions that you agree with? That's why we have this site so that people can share and voice their opinions. Sometimes you might agree sometimes you might not.
Oh and your opinion on how KPF are the be all and end all of drafting .......guess what I don't agree. ????

[Industrial Fan]

Would recommend it faunac8.

[Faunac8]

Would recommend it faunac8.

I don't actually get to Big Footy that much I find I can while away enough time on Swans related subjects within the forums here.
I guess I am not a big fan of being told what to read or think by others.
If it becomes compulsory to meet a particular criteria or mindset before being able to post my opinion on an Internet forum then I am happy not to be a part of that forum.