Mitchell watch

[707]

Pick 14 in this even draft is very useful but still unders for Mitchell unless the swap of later picks involves a 20s pick for a 50s pick.

I think the speed with which this has been done means that either we were worried pick 14 would disappear for O'Meara or that we figured this was the best we are going to do without it getting bloody OR we have something else going on this trade period. It could be that a fringe player or two gets traded to upgrade our better picks as it doesn't look at this stage as if we'll use more than three picks so no point holding picks in the 50s.

I'm just of to read the Phantom Draft on the AFL website to see what kind of players are in the late teens.

[lwjoyner]

as I said before screwed again. hawks seem to win all the time without complaints from HO. Again I ask what happens if they get a pick inside the top 10 for Hill (freo currently sits on pick 7) they the hawks win again/

[Brettb]

as I said before screwed again. hawks seem to win all the time without complaints from HO. Again I ask what happens if they get a pick inside the top 10 for Hill (freo currently sits on pick 7) they the hawks win again/

They are not getting pick 7 for Brad Hill, it will be the Chris Mayne compo pick 23

[moocher]

I would have preferred it if we just let him go to the draft than making Hawthorn get stronger. It's so weak of our club to let them get away with it. Very upsetting.

What was the alternative? Refuse pick 14 & let Tom go to the PSD where we get nothing? Chest thumping get's you nowhere. We just can't afford him. That's the problem. We're not in a strong position. Not weak at all just realistic.

[WauchopeAnalyst]

If it was simple the trade would be complete but it isn't.

Pick 23 traded with pick 35 or so is near it.

The value of Mitchell is about right with that trade.

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[southsideswan]

I do not think Tom was the whole package. Did some things really well on the field but why did it take Horse so long to promote him? The statement was, he still has things to get right, to do what he was told to do?

The chat was that some players were urging him to stay. I would be surprised if all were doing the same. No reason just a feeling.

I can image AnnieH is feeling betrayed. I think she should. There are ways to lie and ways to avoid telling the truth. His response should have been something like " I have not signed anything yet and and there are still things to sort out beyond my control but hopefully it can be resolved in the next week".

From his reply to AnnieH and now knowing the facts it shows a disrespect for a dedicated supporter. That maybe is a hint of the person..maybe.

In the years to come (8 to 10 of them) we will see on this forum the words "Tom Mitchell is such a star we should never have tell him go". He may become a star but when everything is weighed up in the end I will back the swannies to have taken the best option.

[ugg]

Not sure that Gold Coast will be looking at trading backwards for either of 4,6 or 8 as they need elite talent. The may well trade forward and seek pick 2.

I'd be happy with us to go with a spread of late first and early second round picks which will really add some depth to what is actually quite a deep squad already

GC will need points to match Bowes and Williams. If we can offer a deal that gives them more points in total with 14 and 17 then they have with pick 8 say for instance then they'd be silly not to do it.

[Dosser]

I do not think Tom was the whole package. Did some things really well on the field but why did it take Horse so long to promote him? The statement was, he still has things to get right, to do what he was told to do?

The chat was that some players were urging him to stay. I would be surprised if all were doing the same. No reason just a feeling.

I can image AnnieH is feeling betrayed. I think she should. There are ways to lie and ways to avoid telling the truth. His response should have been something like " I have not signed anything yet and and there are still things to sort out beyond my control but hopefully it can be resolved in the next week".

From his reply to AnnieH and now knowing the facts it shows a disrespect for a dedicated supporter. That maybe is a hint of the person..maybe.

In the years to come (8 to 10 of them) we will see on this forum the words "Tom Mitchell is such a star we should never have tell him go". He may become a star but when everything is weighed up in the end I will back the swannies to have taken the best option.

He is a 23yo footballer who had probably had a couple of shandys, not a 50yo politician.

[RogueSwan]

...In the years to come (8 to 10 of them) we will see on this forum the words "Tom Mitchell is such a star we should never have tell him go". He may become a star but when everything is weighed up in the end I will back the swannies to have taken the best option.

With the number of RWOer's already saying that about Membrey, it will probably become a roar when it come to Mercenary Mitchell

What was the alternative? Refuse pick 14 & let Tom go to the PSD where we get nothing? Chest thumping get's you nowhere. We just can't afford him. That's the problem. We're not in a strong position. Not weak at all just realistic.

Maybe if we had done that with Mummy or Lamb in the past other clubs would now know they need to cough up an appropriate trade/pick. The club would may only have to do it once, lose out on a pick once to set the precedent and ensure we get appropriate compensation going forward.
Then again, maybe the do want to be seen as a destination club because try and do the right things by their players?????

[barry]

Trade value:. The easy way to look at it is where does mitchel rank out of all 23 year olds. Hes probably about 10th best. Therefore worth pick 10.

Then combine that with his career utilisation. ie. he has already spent 20% of his career, then you'd shift it out a bit. Meaning at 12 to 14 is probably fair.

The only advantage he has is he is a known quantity, whereas a draft pick is speculation, which could go bad or very good.

[Meg]

With the number of RWOer's already saying that about Membrey, it will probably become a roar when it come to Mercenary Mitchell

Maybe if we had done that with Mummy or Lamb in the past other clubs would now know they need to cough up an appropriate trade/pick. The club would may only have to do it once, lose out on a pick once to set the precedent and ensure we get appropriate compensation going forward.
Then again, maybe the do want to be seen as a destination club because try and do the right things by their players?????

The Swans did force Lamb into the PSD. At the time I viewed it as a sign that the club was very annoyed with him, as the Swans usually are accommodating to players who want to move. Lamb still got where he wanted to go though. The Giants took him with pick one in the 2013 Pre-Season Draft.

Not that it turned out to be the coup the Giants were expecting though.

[liz]

Did the Swans force that? Or did GWS just refuse to offer a trade knowing they could get him for nothing in the PSD?

[Plugger46]

I reckon he'll win multiple B&Fs at Hawthorn and injury permitting, be an elite midfielder for the next decade. Hard to cop when you see hacks like Mayne and Vickery going for picks in the 20s under the compensation system.

[waswan]

Ill reserve my final judgement until the whole deal is available but anyone on here is kidding themselves if we didn't think we would get a top 10 Pick for Mitchell.
Hawks last year got pick 15 for Jed Anderson.....Read that again

Surely Mitchell has his limitations as a player, like Diesel Williams did too.
Kid can play, kid can get his own ball (look at our GF we have a few that cant) and most important in my eyes is kid shows up when it matters most in finals.
Again, ill reserve my judgement until its complete.

[crackedactor]

Hawthorn only got pick 19 for Buddy, So its not great, but then again its not too bad. According to the experts, the draft will run deep this year and you could easily get some 1 or 2 good players in the top 20.