Probability of winning premiership after being 1st on ladder after Round 5

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  • No 14
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    • Sep 2006
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    Probability of winning premiership after being 1st on ladder after Round 5

    History says that 24.6% of teams on top of the ladder after round 5 have won the premiership
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    May the earth devour the West Coast Evils
  • swans_premiers
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    • Feb 2003
    • 1101

    #2
    Originally posted by No 14
    History says that 24.6% of teams on top of the ladder after round 5 have won the premiership
    Which means prelim at worst.
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    • Bloody Hell
      Senior Player
      • Oct 2006
      • 3085

      #3
      I imagine this falls in line with the probability of a top 4 team winning the premiership - and the team leading after 5 rounds finishing in the top 4.

      Stats can be made to make anything be said about anything, fourfty percent of all people know that.
      The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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      • Cheer Squad
        Sydney Swans
        • Apr 2007
        • 1948

        #4
        Originally posted by No 14
        History says that 24.6% of teams on top of the ladder after round 5 have won the premiership
        That means 75.4% haven't.

        Which round during the season is the greatest predictor of success in the GF? That is, the team on top in Round X goes on to win the GF more often than not?

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        • Benevolent Ert
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          • Jan 2003
          • 490

          #5
          Eventual finishing position of the team on top of the ladder at Round 5 since the introduction of the final 8:

          2009: (St Kilda) 1st (lost GF)
          2008: (Geelong) 1st (lost GF)
          2007: (West Coast) 3rd (lost SF)
          2006: (West Coast) 1st (Premiers)
          2005: (West Coast) 2nd (lost GF)
          2004: (St Kilda) 3rd (lost PF)
          2003: (Brisbane) 3rd (Premiers)
          2002: (Brisbane) 2nd (Premiers)
          2001: (Hawthorn) 6th (lost PF)
          2000: (Essendon) 1st (Premiers)
          1999: (West Coast) 5th (lost SF)
          1998: (Sydney) 3rd (lost SF)
          1997: (West Coast) 5th (lost SF)
          1996: (Brisbane) 3rd (lost PF)
          1995: (Carlton) 1st (Premiers)
          1994: (Melbourne) 7th (lost PF)

          Premiers ladder position at Rd 5 since 1994:
          2009 - Geelong - 2nd
          2008 - Hawthorn - 2nd
          2007 - Geelong - 10th
          2006 - West Coast - 1st
          2005 - Sydney - 10th
          2004 - Port Adelaide - 2nd
          2003 - Brisbane - 1st
          2002 - Brisbane - 1st
          2001 - Brisbane - 9th
          2000 - Essendon - 1st
          1999 - Nth Melb - 12th
          1998 - Adelaide - 9th
          1997 - Adelaide - 12th
          1996 - Nth Melb - 3rd
          1995 - Carlton - 1st
          1994 - West Coast - 4th

          What do these stats tell us?
          Probably nothing

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          • No 14
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            • Sep 2006
            • 262

            #6
            here are more stats after R5... there is a website that gives all this stuff... am I allowed to publish its URL? Some blogs do not want directions other sites.

            Ladder Position after R5, no of times occured, percentge win of premiership, Last Time achieved, and who

            1st 28 24.6% 2002 Bris Lions
            2nd 24 21.1% 2008 Hawthorn
            3rd 16 14.0% 2009 Geelong
            4th 9 7.9% 1994 West Coast
            5th 10 8.8% 2005 Sydney
            6th 5 4.4% 1992 West Coast
            7th 8 7.0% 1991 Hawthorn
            8th 2 1.8% 1953 Collingwood
            9th 2 1.8% 1998 Adelaide
            10th 4 3.5% 2001 Bris Lions
            11th 1 0.9% 1999 Kangaroos
            12th 1 0.9% 1945 Carlton
            13th 1 0.9% 1993 Essendon
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            • hot potato
              Sir Ashmole Gruntbucket
              • Jun 2007
              • 1122

              #7
              Noice of you guys to research all those stats, but they just give me a headache. I'd just like Bolton to be fit again in 6-7 weeks.

              hp
              "He was proud of us when we won and he was still proud of us when we lost' Tami Roos about Paul Sept 06.

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              • The Big Cat
                On the veteran's list
                • Apr 2006
                • 2360

                #8
                Statistics show that 55% of all statistics are wrong.
                Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                • BSA5
                  Senior Player
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 2522

                  #9
                  Originally posted by The Big Cat
                  Statistics show that 55% of all statistics are wrong.
                  Source? AFAIK it's 45%...
                  Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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                  • treespirit
                    The Tree Is Out There
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 337

                    #10
                    A lot better odds than I after round 1 I expect.

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                    • SwansFan1972
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                      • Nov 2008
                      • 621

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Benevolent Ert
                      Eventual finishing position of the team on top of the ladder at Round 5 since the introduction of the final 8:

                      2009: (St Kilda) 1st (lost GF)
                      2008: (Geelong) 1st (lost GF)
                      2007: (West Coast) 3rd (lost SF)
                      2006: (West Coast) 1st (Premiers)
                      2005: (West Coast) 2nd (lost GF)
                      2004: (St Kilda) 3rd (lost PF)
                      2003: (Brisbane) 3rd (Premiers)
                      2002: (Brisbane) 2nd (Premiers)
                      2001: (Hawthorn) 6th (lost PF)
                      2000: (Essendon) 1st (Premiers)
                      1999: (West Coast) 5th (lost SF)
                      1998: (Sydney) 3rd (lost SF)
                      1997: (West Coast) 5th (lost SF)
                      1996: (Brisbane) 3rd (lost PF)
                      1995: (Carlton) 1st (Premiers)
                      1994: (Melbourne) 7th (lost PF)

                      Premiers ladder position at Rd 5 since 1994:
                      2009 - Geelong - 2nd
                      2008 - Hawthorn - 2nd
                      2007 - Geelong - 10th
                      2006 - West Coast - 1st
                      2005 - Sydney - 10th
                      2004 - Port Adelaide - 2nd
                      2003 - Brisbane - 1st
                      2002 - Brisbane - 1st
                      2001 - Brisbane - 9th
                      2000 - Essendon - 1st
                      1999 - Nth Melb - 12th
                      1998 - Adelaide - 9th
                      1997 - Adelaide - 12th
                      1996 - Nth Melb - 3rd
                      1995 - Carlton - 1st
                      1994 - West Coast - 4th

                      What do these stats tell us?
                      Probably nothing
                      That we basically have a lock on a finals spot (or catastrophically would be the only team in fifteen years to not make them from this current position)! I'll go with proposition one - and since the pre-season wish for most of us would have been to make the finals, anything beyond that is a happy bonus!

                      As far as premierships go, dominating the ladder at this time of year often means diddly - just ask Adelaide! In recent years they've made being on the top rungs of the ladder at this time of year an art form. They were never able to turn it into even a grand final berth though! Fortunately for us, our history is somewhat different!

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                      • Dalai Lama
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 632

                        #12
                        65% of percentile statistics work out to be 35% of the average facts?

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                        • andyn
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                          • Nov 2009
                          • 102

                          #13
                          I'm not getting ahead of myself with this statement because I still think a premiership this year is an outside chance, but I really should have put a lazy $20 on Sydney when we where 51-1! The impossible dream is starting to become a little more realistic with the way the boys are playing and the fact that no team is really dominating. The boys could beat anyone on their day
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                          • Go Swannies
                            Veterans List
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 5697

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SwansFan1972
                            That we basically have a lock on a finals spot (or catastrophically would be the only team in fifteen years to not make them from this current position)! I'll go with proposition one - and since the pre-season wish for most of us would have been to make the finals, anything beyond that is a happy bonus!

                            As far as premierships go, dominating the ladder at this time of year often means diddly - just ask Adelaide! In recent years they've made being on the top rungs of the ladder at this time of year an art form. They were never able to turn it into even a grand final berth though! Fortunately for us, our history is somewhat different!
                            The exciting thing for Swans fans is that the team is still at a stage of rapid improvement. They have only played five senior games together for goodness sake. Our FF has only reached senior playing standard last weekend after an interrupted pre-season. So we should be expecting ongoing improvement. The fixture order has been perfect for that - we found out what the standard should be in R1 then had four games to work out how the team should work together and now we're into some serious challenges. If the team continues to improve we should certainly be aiming to win a fair share of those and not fall out of the Top 4 - especially in a year when there doesn't seem to be an unbeatable team.

                            Exciting times.

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                            • j s
                              Think positive!
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 3303

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Benevolent Ert
                              What do these stats tell us?
                              Some people have a lot of spare time!

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