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  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16763

    Originally posted by bennyfabulous
    Bit dissapointed about Vez, had really hoped he worked his butt off this year and broke through. Also a bit dissapointed about bevo if he goes, i really thought he was coming on nicely, much improved on the last few years. Would be pleased with Everitt but not Tiller and would hope to get Sherman.

    Am wondering if Swans are doing the Vez deal with dogs to try make it more difficult for dogs to land Sherman, especially when they have only the compensation pick 26 to deal with (if they can trade that not sure)

    If we take Everitt for Vez they will possibly trade Hill aswell but not sure if Brisbane would take hill or dogs would part with hill and pick). If that all makes sense?
    It does make sense. The Dogs' and Swans' trading objectives seem closely linked this year.

    I am curious about the Dogs. If you believe what you read (and a high degree of scepticism is a healthy thing during trade week), they have set their sights on Sherman, Walker and Vez. It is hard to value what these players are worth, especially given clubs have less currency than even in normal years. But you can make an argument for them all being worth broadly something in the 20-40 draft pick range. The Dogs, however, have almost no currency, having already committed their first and second round draft picks. Even their second round pick is barely in the range. Their only declared currency is the Harbrow pick and Everitt. How are they going to land all three? Do they think Hill will also deliver something in this range? Maybe he will - after all, he's shown more than Vez. But there hasn't been much talk of clubs circling around Hill, whereas a few clubs are said to have enquired about Vez - and he still seems to have the aura of potential about him.

    Unless they have something else (and Tiller or Stack don't count), I can see them needing our pick 21 to land both Walker and Sherman. I can see them trying to package some ultra-fringe player with Everitt (if he is SCG bound) and demand Vez plus our first round pick. Hope we tell them to get knotted - unless of course they want to throw Higgins or Ward into the mix!!!! Now Sherman has nominated the Dogs as his preferred destination, will their interest in Walker cool?

    Am also curious about the Dogs' salary cap situation. Last year they were reportedly going to ask Aker and Eagleton to retire because they couldn't fit them into their cap (after they went out and got Bazza). In the end both played on but only after accepting significantly less money. So they won't have saved a heap of cap room by losing those two. Johnson has retired, but half his salary would have come under the veteran list rules. Can't imagine Harbrow's last contract was that huge. I suspect they'll have to juggle things around to Walker, Sherman and Vez in (with Djuekerra taking up anything Stack will have freed up) and even then it will be tight for them. And assuming they land the premiership (which presumably they think they have a good shot at given these recruits), the likes of Ward, Wood, Grant et al are going to be looking for decent pay rises in the next year or two. Maybe they have Bazza's salary earmarked to be shared around when he leaves.

    They might also be banking on the new CBA for 2012 which is expected to deliver a significantly higher salary cap. But that is a dangerous game to play. A major reason why Essendon's list dismantled so quickly in 2001 was because they factored in much higher salary cap increases than actually eventuated. And, of course, all players are going to be looking for their share of a much bigger cap.

    Will be interesting to see how things pan out.

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    • Bas
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 4457

      Very well thought out Liz and certainly creates some things to think about. I wouldn't have thought the Harbrow pick had much currency at all at the moment.

      A player of quality plus Everitt for Vez plus pick 21 would make sense. Depends how much they want Sherman. We could easily trade pick 21 for him but he doesn't want to come and no point forcing him.
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      • Nico
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        • Jan 2003
        • 11337

        If Vez is homesick then it is probably because he hasn't made it and he thinks a change will weave magic for him. I can't blame him for thinking that way which seems pretty normal to me. So let him go, he hasn't proved to be in our top 22 or even 25. While he still has some currency then a straight swap for Everitt makes sense to me. I would think Bulldog supporters are thinking pretty much the same.
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        • Nico
          Veterans List
          • Jan 2003
          • 11337

          Originally posted by Bas
          Very well thought out Liz and certainly creates some things to think about. I wouldn't have thought the Harbrow pick had much currency at all at the moment.

          A player of quality plus Everitt for Vez plus pick 21 would make sense. Depends how much they want Sherman. We could easily trade pick 21 for him but he doesn't want to come and no point forcing him.
          I'd reckon though Bas that they would want to keep one of the vacancies on the list for the draft. They still have to have 3 picks as far as I know so why be forced into the need to delist another if not necessary. One for one makes more sense to me and for goodness sake why give up your fist pick. Surely at pick 21 a good quality young footballer is still available. Regardless of the climate a club still needs to introduce a good measure of youth to the club each year.
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          • ugg
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            Site Admin
            • Jan 2003
            • 15969

            Firstly they seem less confident with Walker, who is reportedly heading to the Crows, than they do with Sherman and Vez. They might go after Djerrkura instead who should cost less trade wise than Walker. I don't see us accepting any fringe player, it doesn't sit well with our trade strategy of targeting players.

            Secondly, while half of Johnson's salary will come off, it's also the case that whoever (assuming they do choose one) replaces him on the vets list will have half of their salary shorn off too under the cap.
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            • Bas
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              • Jan 2003
              • 4457

              I hope we keep Vez and not just give him away. I'd be happy for a swap for Everitt but not any more as the Fox sports bloke (Martin Smith) is suggesting.
              That is us giving up more.

              I bet Bevan ends up in St Kilda for their 3rd round pick.

              Can't see us trading Jesse unless an offer too good to be true is headed our way. The Swans can't take the risk unless they think LJ will hit the ground running next year. perhaps plans for Mike Pyke to play FF. Would make sense. Takes great contested mark, can kick goals and can ruck.
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              • DST
                The voice of reason!
                • Jan 2003
                • 2705

                Good time to cut our loses with Vez and the new interchange rules made the decision even easier.

                He can't run out games and has no hope of playing as a high forward come midfield rotation, so under the reduction of interchange players and the eventual reduction in rotations it will bring it's likely he will be gone from a senior list within 2 years unless by some miracle he finds some fitness and endurance.

                Everitt is an unknown quanity, has size and speed and comes with a flexibilty that not many other players bring to the table. If we can settle him down to a postion or at the very least a role within the team then he has the atributes to be a long term member of the team.

                DST
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                • swansrule100
                  The quarterback
                  • May 2004
                  • 4538

                  heard malceski might go to perth ?? hope thats rubbish
                  Theres not much left to say

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                  • DST
                    The voice of reason!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2705

                    Originally posted by Bas
                    I bet Bevan ends up in St Kilda for their 3rd round pick.
                    I do feel sorry for Bevo, had a great year and did what was asked by the coaching staff.

                    It came down to him and Moore for that finals spot and in hindsight they probably went with the wrong guy to play on and off Harbrow. But I can understand where the coaches were coming from Moore has more tricks to his game than Bevan and they were probably hoping that he could make Harbrow more accountable through score board pressure. It didn't work but not all moves come off.

                    If he wants to go, hopefully the club can accomodate his wishes and get him to the club of his choice as he has been a loyal servant and dependable player much like Ben Matthews was.

                    DST
                    "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                    • DST
                      The voice of reason!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2705

                      Why would Malceski (a boy from Victoria) want to go to live in Perth.

                      Especially considering the way the club has stuck by him through his injuries and sees him as a future captain.

                      DST
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                      • Bas
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 4457

                        Originally posted by swansrule100
                        heard malceski might go to perth ?? hope thats rubbish
                        Where did you hear that? From the mental giants at Big Footy?

                        If he goes to Perth it will be for a holiday. I stay clear of Big Footy during trade week. You can fill your trailor up with what goes on there.
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                        • Jeffers1984
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                          • Jan 2003
                          • 4564

                          Eski is still out of contract this year isnt he?
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                          • swansrule100
                            The quarterback
                            • May 2004
                            • 4538

                            nah apparently he is engaged to a lady from perth and unhappy at swans

                            was on trade week radio

                            i didnt claim it was true, i was wondering if anyone heard anything
                            Theres not much left to say

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                            • ugg
                              Can you feel it?
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                              • Jan 2003
                              • 15969

                              Apparently on Trade Week Radio, said his girlfriend is from Perth. RTTF can tell us more.
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                              • DeadlyAkkuret
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                                • Oct 2006
                                • 4547

                                Wtf why would he be unhappy at the Swans?

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