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  • wolftone57
    Veterans List
    • Aug 2008
    • 5862

    #76
    Originally posted by liz
    I am confused. On the one hand you want veteran status transferrable when a player moves club, yet on the other you are bemoaning the imminent introduction of free agency that will enable players with many years service to move clubs without going through the draft or trading process. One of the major mechanisms available to clubs to retain their long serving, highest paid players is the lure of part of their salary falling outside the cap once they have reached age 30. If you allow veteran status to transfer when a player moves club, you are removing this one incentive for the very best players to stay put at their original club.
    The veteran status could be transferrable for players delisted by their original clubs and therefore not making it hard for their new clubs to keep them on the list. We have picked up a few players who were put up for trade bait or delisted by their original clubs over the years and most don't play the required 10 years for veteran status, 8 years would be better. Either that or transfer the years played and if they play over 5 years for their new club then they become elegible with years served at the old club. What I am saying about the new rule is if they are willing to allow players to move unimpeded after 8 years service then the veteran service year should also be 8 years not 10.

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    • aardvark
      Veterans List
      • Mar 2010
      • 5685

      #77
      Originally posted by ScottH
      There the ones Ayres expects to lose next year.

      How old is Rose?
      25. Was on the list at the Bulldogs for a while. He's another medium forward, super accurate kick for goal, who may hold some interest.

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      • ScottH
        It's Goodes to cheer!!
        • Sep 2003
        • 23665

        #78
        Originally posted by aardvark
        25. Was on the list at the Bulldogs for a while. He's another medium forward, super accurate kick for goal, who may hold some interest.
        Yeh, he's pretty good. Still fairly young.
        Actually, most of the set shots were pretty accurate on Sunday.
        I guess it's easier with no wind.

        Couldn't get a run at the Dogs yet is starring at Port. Wonder if someone will give him another go.

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16795

          #79
          Originally posted by wolftone57
          The veteran status could be transferrable for players delisted by their original clubs and therefore not making it hard for their new clubs to keep them on the list. We have picked up a few players who were put up for trade bait or delisted by their original clubs over the years and most don't play the required 10 years for veteran status, 8 years would be better. Either that or transfer the years played and if they play over 5 years for their new club then they become elegible with years served at the old club. What I am saying about the new rule is if they are willing to allow players to move unimpeded after 8 years service then the veteran service year should also be 8 years not 10.
          The kind of players who are most likely to benefit (or their clubs benefit) from the salary cap veteran rules are the kind of players who are never going to be delisted - ie the Adam Goodes and Ryan O'Keefes of this world who can command pretty high salaries even at the latter end of their careers.

          Who is the "they" you refer to? The free agency agenda has been pushed to its current position by player demands, not by the AFL.

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          • caj23
            Senior Player
            • Aug 2003
            • 2462

            #80
            Originally posted by ScottH
            Yeh, he's pretty good. Still fairly young.
            Actually, most of the set shots were pretty accurate on Sunday.
            I guess it's easier with no wind.

            Couldn't get a run at the Dogs yet is starring at Port. Wonder if someone will give him another go.
            Pretty similar to TDL isn't he?

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            • chuckie
              Warming the Bench
              • Jan 2003
              • 301

              #81
              Patty Rose very similar to another ex Port and Swan Jason Love not tall enough for a key forward and not fast enough for a flank but if he gets the ball close to goal he nearly always kicks a goal.

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              • ScottH
                It's Goodes to cheer!!
                • Sep 2003
                • 23665

                #82
                Originally posted by caj23
                Pretty similar to TDL isn't he?
                Yeh, I'd say yes.
                I noticed he was pretty quick on the lead, fairly accurate kick, and when he didn't mark the ball, was after the ball like there was no tomorrow.

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                • aardvark
                  Veterans List
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 5685

                  #83
                  Originally posted by caj23
                  Pretty similar to TDL isn't he?
                  He would be stronger than TDL and probably fitter and a bit more mature. He's better than some of the duds getting a regular AFL game with other clubs.

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                  • wolftone57
                    Veterans List
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 5862

                    #84
                    Originally posted by liz
                    The kind of players who are most likely to benefit (or their clubs benefit) from the salary cap veteran rules are the kind of players who are never going to be delisted - ie the Adam Goodes and Ryan O'Keefes of this world who can command pretty high salaries even at the latter end of their careers.

                    Who is the "they" you refer to? The free agency agenda has been pushed to its current position by player demands, not by the AFL.
                    The players might have demanded it but the AFL has acquiesced and is making it a rule. They don't always acquiesce to player demands as the recent player payment dispute will testify. It doesn't matter where the 'Free Agency' rule originated it is becoming a law of the AFL and the origin of the rule is just pedantics. If you really want to be technical the rule was first introduced in the 1970's and North Melbourne won two premierships by recruiting all the players who had 10 years service. The rule was dropped when the salary cap was introduced. It was a players innitiative then too but then again it was adopted by the then VFL now AFL. All I am asking is if 'Free Agency" can be 8 years then why not make 'Veteran' status 8 years too and you would have less chance of losing players because of the salary cap & their being able to bugger off with no remuneration to the club.

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                    • robamiee
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 688

                      #85
                      when will we find out Swans delistings, cant be too much longer surely....

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                      • Triple B
                        Formerly 'BBB'
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 6999

                        #86
                        Originally posted by robamiee
                        when will we find out Swans delistings, cant be too much longer surely....
                        No real point in delisting anybody before the trade period starts, you never know, somebody may be interested or they can be thrown in to get a close deal over the line.

                        I know other clubs do it, but from memory in recent times we haven't made early delistings in the past few years...
                        Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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                        • Lucky Knickers
                          Fandom of Fabulousness
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 4220

                          #87
                          I don't think they announce the cuts until after the B&F.

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                          • ScottH
                            It's Goodes to cheer!!
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 23665

                            #88
                            Originally posted by robamiee
                            when will we find out Swans delistings, cant be too much longer surely....
                            Oct 31.
                            Nov 16
                            Nov 30

                            Are the list lodgement dates.


                            Key 2011 draft dates - AFL.com.au


                            The key dates are in the RWO Calendar, so keep an eye on that at the bottom of the main forum page.

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                            • Bas
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 4457

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Lucky Knickers
                              I don't think they announce the cuts until after the B&F.
                              Yes that was the case last year.
                              In memory of my little Staffy - Dicey, 17.06.2005 to 1.12.2011- I'll miss you mate.

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                              • wearebloods
                                Footy!
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 244

                                #90
                                Favourite piece of gossip for the silly season so far:

                                "There was a rumor that Heath Grundy was in Adelaide a couple of days ago. Could be involved in the Armstrong trade"

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