Pyke vs Seaby

**wolftone57** · 20 February 2012, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by jono2707

Good thoughts Rod and one that you would consider, depending upon match-ups. I don't think the 2 ruck thing is dead at all, and some teams are looking at playing 2 rucks together on-field i.e. one as more a 'midfielder' to break open packs. West Coast did it last year with Naitanui and Carlton are considering it with Kreuzer. I also think North will look at ways to use McIntosh effectively with Goldstein. Basically, these teams are saying that if the player is good enough, they'll play them. Flexibility is the big thing here and I think Pykey has the edge on Seaby, however I wouldn't discount all 3 playing together sometimes.

Carlton already did it with Kreuzer last year, he played mainly forward for the first part of the season. Geelong, Essendon, Collingwood, Hawthorn, North, Weagles and dockers all do it. So there that takes care of most of the top 8, woops all of the top 8.

**swansrob** · 20 February 2012, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by wolftone57

Carlton already did it with Kreuzer last year, he played mainly forward for the first part of the season. Geelong, Essendon, Collingwood, Hawthorn, North, Weagles and dockers all do it. So there that takes care of most of the top 8, woops all of the top 8.

North haven't made the eight in a few years now.

**jono2707** · 20 February 2012, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by wolftone57

Carlton already did it with Kreuzer last year, he played mainly forward for the first part of the season. Geelong, Essendon, Collingwood, Hawthorn, North, Weagles and dockers all do it. So there that takes care of most of the top 8, woops all of the top 8.

What I really meant is that some teams have and are toying with the idea of playing 2 rucks on the ball at once - Eagles have been doing it a bit with Cox and Naitanui and Carlton are looking at the same thing with Kreuzer. Not resting elsewhere in the field, but playing on the ball. The whole idea of getting some big bodies in the pack to use strength to extract the ball. Also the 2nd ruckman/midfielder needs to have plenty of speed and agility, which is where Pykey has it over Seaby.

Um I guess we have been doing this for some years ourselves anyway - we have a young lad by the name of Goodes who played a decent amount of ruck in his earlier games before becoming a rover. He goes ok....

**stellation** · 20 February 2012, 04:28 PM

I know they both spent time injured last year, but we did got with LRT/Jesse as backup for a lot of games last year. Does anyone have any rough figures on "games available" vs. "games played" for last season to get an idea maybe of the selector's opinion of them?

**swansrob** · 20 February 2012, 05:05 PM

Pyke was named emergency for one of the finals, which perhapd suggests the coaches rate him higher than they do Seabs. Pyke's name has also been dropped a lot more than Seaby's during this pre-season.

**Hartijon** · 20 February 2012, 11:29 PM

[QUOTE=Cpt. Kirk;560007]Which player out of the two will be used this year there has been some discussion about it, in other threads. I personally think that Pyke will get the nod.
I have seen both players do fantastic stuff like seaby's brownlow vote game last year and pyke in the elimination final against the blues.

Geez I had forgotten what monumental stuff ups Bevan was capable of,missing the easiest goal after brilliant play to nail a game and he stuffs it.It was a lot harder to miss that goal after Pyke's brilliant play than to kick it.

**ernie koala** · 21 February 2012, 08:52 AM

Either or for mine , both have differing strengths and weaknesses.
So it may get down to who we are playing, conditions, venue.
Great to have them both fit and ready to go.

**Hartijon** · 21 February 2012, 01:32 PM

Why not play all three. Continue Pyke's development as a Full Forward. He could not do worse than White last year.He can take a good over head mark. He has pace ,height,physical presense and can kick straight. He knows how to hand off a handball as well. Keep the tap work to Seaby and Mummy. Pyke's development to date has been remarkable and I have no doubt given his efforts so far ,he would be a good target up front in a relatively short time. Everyone is assuming all three would make us too tall. Being too tall IMO is like being too rich! Bring it on!

**Rod_** · 21 February 2012, 03:29 PM

I see us playing 3 or more tall's as a "change up" and for other games we will need a "change for speed" and or there could be the "change for a grind" option.

Each change will be selected to suit the opposition known game plan and our counter plan of options...

This gives Nipper, Jetta and Pyke and Seaby and other a rotation into match play. (Assuming that they are not in the core group!)

Develop a changing game plan of rotating match plays! Say Tall, Fast and Grind. (Well that's my description of what we can call it!) Would keep the opposition guessing and also keep some of the "not top 15 core players" keen, and give them a go while developing depth... .

Core group would keep consistency and the change up would rest players to make them keen...

Comments?

Rod

**Melbourne_Blood** · 21 February 2012, 04:50 PM

I cannot see how Seaby, Mumford and Pyke could play in the same team, when we are not short on tall players as it is. With the pace of the game and the interchange rule, taking three giants in as well as the talls we already have could prove very costly. I'm all for two Ruckman, but having a third would lose us more games than it would win us i would think. The second and third would have to be very, very good for that to be plausible.

**Hartijon** · 22 February 2012, 11:31 AM

I think Pyke is becoming a utility player.His goal of the year (admittedly disallowed) and snap where he did his leg muscle show that he is capable of playing smart around the goals. He could make the final 22 as a specialist Full Forward in Process just as Reid is also learning his job. I consider him a better prospect than White.

Seaby is a ruckman not a forward,Mummy is a ruckman too but with more bite than Seabs and the ability to make second and third attempts to clear the ball. We could play all three if White was dropped and IMO we would be a better team.

**ShockOfHair** · 22 February 2012, 11:39 AM

I think White will be lucky to get a game this year. There are too many ahead of him, both forward and back.

**ScottH** · 22 February 2012, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Hartijon

I think Pyke is becoming a utility player.His goal of the year (admittedly disallowed) and snap where he did his leg muscle show that he is capable of playing smart around the goals. He could make the final 22 as a specialist Full Forward in Process just as Reid is also learning his job. I consider him a better prospect than White.

Seaby is a ruckman not a forward,Mummy is a ruckman too but with more bite than Seabs and the ability to make second and third attempts to clear the ball. We could play all three if White was dropped and IMO we would be a better team.

Great post. Makes a lot of sense.
Poor Jesse

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**Melbourne_Blood** · 22 February 2012, 01:37 PM

With Pyke at FF and Mummy taking 1 ruck, where does that leave Seaby when he is not rucking. Taking up valuable bench space i would assume. Surely Pykey would be more than ample back up for Mummy when he needs a rest. They could both swap forward and ruck.

**ScottH** · 22 February 2012, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood

With Pyke at FF and Mummy taking 1 ruck, where does that leave Seaby when he is not rucking. Taking up valuable bench space i would assume. Surely Pykey would be more than ample back up for Mummy when he needs a rest. They could both swap forward and ruck.

I would have thought enjoying the fresh air in the ACT.