Pyke vs Seaby

[Melbourne_Blood]

Pyke was far more impressive than Seaby, his pressure, tackling, tap work everything really. If ( and i hope we do) we go with two ruckman this year, Pyke and Mummy will be the ruck duo. Seaby will play only if one of these two get injured IMO. I get the impression that Pykey is in for a big year.

[chuckie]

Pyke averages just two marks a game and as for defenders being worried about him coming down to our forward line you would have to be joking. He generally leads to the ball at the wrong times and in his own words he is still trying to find his way around the ground. If he is in the team as a tap ruckman only well that is pretty much a waste of time. Spida Everritt was the best tap ruckman in the game when he came to us but because of our defensive nature at centre clearances the taps were wasted. i think we just have to keep plugging away with Jesse or Spangher taking some ruck contests

[Mr Magoo]

You cant base your opinion on Pyke from his averages. Pyke was far awnd away the best ruckmen on friday night and looked dangerous as the resting forward . If defenders arent worried then all the better as he seems to be reading the play a lot better and has much more confidence in the way he goes about things.

I dont think White played in the first game so its a little unfair to assess him yet as our forward delivery in the second game was pretty awful and haphazard.

Seaby still looks like the fill in ruckmen.

[dimelb]

Pyke averages just two marks a game and as for defenders being worried about him coming down to our forward line you would have to be joking. He generally leads to the ball at the wrong times and in his own words he is still trying to find his way around the ground. If he is in the team as a tap ruckman only well that is pretty much a waste of time. Spida Everritt was the best tap ruckman in the game when he came to us but because of our defensive nature at centre clearances the taps were wasted. i think we just have to keep plugging away with Jesse or Spangher taking some ruck contests

Did you see the marks in the photo gallery from Friday night? Some good work from Pykey there, and it seems to me that his positional sense is coming along OK. I think it might be a good thing for White or Spang to take the odd ruck, the designated ruckman may not always be right on the spot, but our main thrust should be two genuine rucks who can both go forward, and Pyke is looking increasingly like one of them.

[Ratna]

Pyke gives us the real ruck back up that Mummy requires and IMHO those who doubt his ability resting at FF only base it on a preconceived basis that he came from a Canadian/Union background.
He also tends to gather the ball and give off to running players using his strength in the contest. In the days of the forward press, if I was a backman I would hate to have big Myke standing next to me in the centre square waiting for a long kick out of defence. Collingwood often clear other teams press through big marking targets (Cloke etc.) while Myke is no Cloke yet he is super mobile for his size and can take a good grab when given the chance.....AND when Mummy rests in the forward line it will be a nightmare for backmen.

[swansrule100]

Ive been very negative on Pyke over the years, but he keeps improving and his confidence is up. He can actually play and he moves well for a big guy. Seaby is quite a good tap ruckman, but he offers nothing else.

Pyke can go past Seaby in all areas this year because he works so hard, I feel for Seaby, he is handy to have as a backup .

[S120]

Seaby is terribly unlucky. Finally leaves WCE with the Cox ear still in full swing and Naitanui new to the club. Comes to Sydney to be the number one ruckman at the same time as Mumford. Enough said. Tries to leave to become the number one ruckman at Port and fails a test so he has to head back to Sydney for what will likely be a year mostly in Canberra.

He deserves to be and is capable of being a number one ruckman at an AFL club. Most clubs have a clear choice starting ruckman or young guns nearing their prime.

[Foreign Legion]

Seaby is terribly unlucky. Finally leaves WCE with the Cox ear still in full swing and Naitanui new to the club. Comes to Sydney to be the number one ruckman at the same time as Mumford. Enough said. Tries to leave to become the number one ruckman at Port and fails a test so he has to head back to Sydney for what will likely be a year mostly in Canberra.

He deserves to be and is capable of being a number one ruckman at an AFL club. Most clubs have a clear choice starting ruckman or young guns nearing their prime.

I agree totally with this S120 - Seaby is in an uneviable position.

BUT, you never know with injuries - hopefully we don't get many - but he may prove very useful at some stage. Of course, the sub rule has crippled the 2nd ruckman a bit too.

[Captain]

Would you apply the same criteria to Reid?

Maybe.

Either way, don't think we can carry 2 key forwards who are both poor set shots.

[Captain]

I'm still firmly in the Seaby is better camp. He is a very good ruckman and footballer.

One Nab cup wont change my mind on this.

[wolftone57]

Pyke does a lot of work off the ball in a similar way to Mummy. Bullocking, tackling, shepherding and protecting smaller players. Seabs certainly gets more of it if you read the stats but does less of the heavy stuff, due mainly to his build. He is not that sort of player. The other thing is Big Mike is just getting a handle on the game and put in some big ones in the Resies I believe, especially before he got injured.

[chuckie]

How did they both play on the weekend.
According to the AFL web page Seaby played well while Pyke didn't contribute much at all.
If this is the case it might come down to this weeks game to decide who gets the second ruck spot.

[ugg]

Seaby played the first half only and took 2 contested marks, one of which can be seen in the highlights package. Pyke played the whole game and didn't contribute anything as a forward but proved his worth by laying some very effective tackles as can be seen in the "Tackling Highlights" video. This basically summarises their respective strengths - Seaby has more experience and nous playing as a tall forward while Pyke's athleticism and tackling prowess means he is more effective around the ground. Which attributes the coaches value higher is a matter of contention but IMHO given that the forward press and forward defensive pressure are the tactics a la mode I think Pyke has the inside running.

In terms of ruckwork, Goldstein and McIntosh were the better pairing than Pyke and Seaby, getting themselves into better positions and winning more hitouts. Goldstein went off at halftime leaving Petrie doing the relief ruckwork while Mumford took the first ruck status coming on at half time for us.

[ShockOfHair]

Seaby played the first half only and took 2 contested marks, one of which can be seen in the highlights package. Pyke played the whole game and didn't contribute anything as a forward but proved his worth by laying some very effective tackles as can be seen in the "Tackling Highlights" video. This basically summarises their respective strengths - Seaby has more experience and nous playing as a tall forward while Pyke's athleticism and tackling prowess means he is more effective around the ground. Which attributes the coaches value higher is a matter of contention but IMHO given that the forward press and forward defensive pressure are the tactics a la mode I think Pyke has the inside running.

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For sure. At the Swans 1 tackle > 2 contested marks. Pyke wins.