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  • Melbourne_Blood
    Senior Player
    • May 2010
    • 3312

    Swans salary cap concessions

    This morning at work, my boss brought up the swans salary cap concessions . It wasn't until I saw the herald sun that I understood why. There's a big article about it, and it basically says those concessions are the major reason we are able to recruit players like Mummy, Jason Ball, Seaby, Spangher, Kennedy Mcglynn etc. It's a bit puzzling considering most of these players weren't regular senior players at their former clubs. It's not as though we waved a million dollars a season at a top line player from another club. It also ignores the part our much lauded culture would have played on both recruiting these players and helping them turn into the players they are today. And now every Victorian footy fan is going to be yapping on about how it's unfair and we're cheats etc . Sigh.
  • Mel_C
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 4470

    #2
    I have been copping it about the swans salary cap concessions for years. At the Essendon game that is all I heard about and how the AFL looks after us.

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    • Danzar
      I'm doing ok right now, thanks
      • Jun 2006
      • 2027

      #3
      I just take heart in the knowledge that whenever anyone gripes about it, it's because it's their team that is getting their butts kicked and deep down, they know full well it's because the better side beat the lesser side, not a salary cap concession.

      They readily overlook the huge financial windfall Victorian clubs get from their member bases and gate takings.
      Captain, I am detecting large quantities of win in this sector

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      • liz
        Veteran
        Site Admin
        • Jan 2003
        • 16778

        #4
        When we persuaded Mumford to join, there was grumbling that the Swans had been able to attract him by offering him a massive payrise. He was on a rookie salary and reports were that the Swans offered him something like $1m over 4 years. Yes, it might have been a massive increase, but if you look at how he has performed since he joined, does c$250k a year for a fringe-AA standard ruckman not seem like underpaying? For comparison, I suspect Jolly (who Mumford replaced) would have been on something close to $500k a year. Doesn't that just demonstrate astute awareness of the ability of a player and still pay him relative bargain rates? Sure it might seem unfair to Geelong that they couldn't afford to retain him on a similar wage, but that is exactly what the salary cap is intended to do - prevent the best team remaining the best team for ever?

        Yes, we do have a separate COL allowance, but if we are abusing it by attracting more than our fair share of highly paid superstars, why is our list so often dismissed as lacking star power (Goodes aside)?

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        • lwoggardner
          Warming the Bench
          • Aug 2005
          • 141

          #5
          And now every Victorian footy fan is going to be yapping on...
          Who'd a thunk it

          The Swans and salary cap concessions go together like North and a lack of members, West Coast and players on drugs, Collingwood and lack of teeth.

          It is just the thing that the media falls back on when they are too lazy to think of something new to say. Oh look - the swan's are on top of the ladder, lets go ask Eddie what he thinks about salary cap concessions. That'll get a few more bogans to subscribe to our new paywalled footy websites. And so a few more bogans get this message reinforced.

          You could try and rationalise it on the cost of living argument, or you can just say "look at the ladder" and gloat away.

          And besides, if I recall correctly, the thing that actually allowed us to achieve the so called 2009 super draft was tanking the last round of 2008. Tell that to your boss and see if you can get him to explode.

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          • SydAFLFan
            On the Rookie List
            • Aug 2010
            • 40

            #6
            Originally posted by liz
            When we persuaded Mumford to join, there was grumbling that the Swans had been able to attract him by offering him a massive payrise. He was on a rookie salary and reports were that the Swans offered him something like $1m over 4 years. Yes, it might have been a massive increase, but if you look at how he has performed since he joined, does c$250k a year for a fringe-AA standard ruckman not seem like underpaying? For comparison, I suspect Jolly (who Mumford replaced) would have been on something close to $500k a year. Doesn't that just demonstrate astute awareness of the ability of a player and still pay him relative bargain rates? Sure it might seem unfair to Geelong that they couldn't afford to retain him on a similar wage, but that is exactly what the salary cap is intended to do - prevent the best team remaining the best team for ever?

            Yes, we do have a separate COL allowance, but if we are abusing it by attracting more than our fair share of highly paid superstars, why is our list so often dismissed as lacking star power (Goodes aside)?
            If you want to read the story you can do so here http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1226422963489 & a follow up here http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1226422957507

            For me the key figures are, (and these are from the above article)
            WEST Coast Eagles chiefs have argued for a cost of living allowance, similar to the $862,000 annual bonus enjoyed by the two Sydney clubs, because of spiralling Perth property prices.

            Unless I am mistaken, Sydney currently has 39 players on its list so this works out to be about $22,102.56 extra for each player, hardly a huge bonus for moving to Sydney. Given that (again this is from the article) to buy a house in Sydney, you will easily be spending way more than $22 000 (more like +$300 000 minimum) its not difficult to see why this is not the reason why we are able to get players to the club.

            All the players in question were either not wanted by their club or targeted when they were junior players (like Mumford on the Rookie list)on lower wages and were offered a better contract at Sydney.

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            • DLBIA14
              On the Rookie List
              • May 2010
              • 673

              #7
              It is my belief that the Swans in the past have only just met the 93-point-something % minimum cap spend in the past. We're definitely not a club that spends all of its salary cap on players; I think we tend to have a very high football department budget for facilities, technology, support personnel ect. Cost of living is a real and pronounced variable for the Swans though. After all, the club and most of the players are situated in the Eastern suburbs of Sydney so you'd imagine rookie or base salary players might find it a difficult lifestyle to afford.

              Anyway according to Victorians any other day, we are a club full of rejects and all sorts. It's not like we are overpaying our developing players and neither have we made very many big purchases over the last few years. Non-issue that's only brought up because people can't understand why we are on the top of the ladder.

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              • jono2707
                Goes up to 11
                • Oct 2007
                • 3326

                #8
                Perth may have an argument, however Sydney is still clearly the most expensive city to live in, plus we don't produce many home-grown players, so the COL allowance is still very much relevant here. I don't think it's an unfair advantage to us, but every opposition club has supporters who moan - regarding the Swans, if its not about this, its that the umpires favour us, or that the SCG is an unfair advantage, or yada yada yada...

                I didn't think much of the article anyway - with quotes like :
                "The clubs were less thrilled when the terms they had effectively endorsed saw cashed-up expansion clubs steal the likes of Gary Ablett from Geelong and Tom Scully from Melbourne"
                Players are hardly stolen from other clubs - this was an AFL-endorsed policy to help ensure the success of the new clubs, and the affected clubs were given draft concessions in return. Hardly theft of a player.

                The article also quotes the case of Jason Ball - I'm sure we gave him a sweet deal (which worked very nicely for us thanks to Jason's quality play while he was with us). However as far as I remember he is now doing quite well as a stockbroker here and that sort of opportunity post-footy would not have been lost on a smart guy like him.

                We havent spent huge $$$'s to lure a mega-star here since Big Bad Barry approx 10 years ago, so I'm not sure what the issue is here anyway?

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                • GongSwan
                  Senior Player
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 1362

                  #9
                  I've been arguing this point with a few flogs, elsewhere, so I looked it up, as you do, we get a 7% COL allowance, the COL in Sydney is 8% higher, as of a few says ago, than Melbourne, the lady I'm going out with now is from Perth, and can't wait to get back there, because, she says, it's too expensive to live in Wollongong, never mind Sydney, which is why I left Sydney to move down here, everything, well, mostly, is less expensive here, especially property and rents. Anyone arguing about our precious gifts should be referred to Eddie McGuire, who lived in Sydney while running channel 9 and stated, in no uncertain terms, that it is much more expensive to live in Sydney than Melbourne, and this is the man who "went to war" on our concessions, I'm not even certain we paid Hall all that much, given he was desperate to get away from St Kilda
                  You can't argue with a sick mind - Joe Walsh

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                  • satchmopugdog
                    Bandicoots ears
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 3691

                    #10
                    Originally posted by liz
                    When we persuaded Mumford to join, there was grumbling that the Swans had been able to attract him by offering him a massive payrise. He was on a rookie salary and reports were that the Swans offered him something like $1m over 4 years. Yes, it might have been a massive increase, but if you look at how he has performed since he joined, does c$250k a year for a fringe-AA standard ruckman not seem like underpaying? For comparison, I suspect Jolly (who Mumford replaced) would have been on something close to $500k a year. Doesn't that just demonstrate astute awareness of the ability of a player and still pay him relative bargain rates? Sure it might seem unfair to Geelong that they couldn't afford to retain him on a similar wage, but that is exactly what the salary cap is intended to do - prevent the best team remaining the best team for ever?

                    Yes, we do have a separate COL allowance, but if we are abusing it by attracting more than our fair share of highly paid superstars, why is our list so often dismissed as lacking star power (Goodes aside)?
                    Yet again Liz your analysis is excellent ....media outlets are stupid not to pick you up......oh hang on.. you would make a lot of those boneheads look foolish...I understand now
                    "The Dog days are over, The Dog days are gone" Florence and the Machine

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                    • Swansongster
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1264

                      #11
                      Originally posted by satchmopugdog
                      Yet again Liz your analysis is excellent ....media outlets are stupid not to pick you up......oh hang on.. you would make a lot of those boneheads look foolish...I understand now
                      +1

                      And she doesn't need a ghost writer.

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                      • jono2707
                        Goes up to 11
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 3326

                        #12
                        Maybe Liz does work in the media, but just needs to use RWO as an outlet for well-considered, thoughtful and insightful comments before reverting to spewing forth whatever rubbish the media outlets demand.....

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                        • 4 the Bloods
                          On the Rookie List
                          • May 2011
                          • 26

                          #13
                          Originally posted by DLBIA14
                          It is my belief that the Swans in the past have only just met the 93-point-something % minimum cap spend in the past. We're definitely not a club that spends all of its salary cap on players.
                          This is the first thing that sprung to my mind. Does anyone have the figures for portion of cap spent over the last five years or so? I'd be interested to see if our spend is still at the low end of the range.

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                          • DA_Swan
                            Warming the Bench
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 322

                            #14
                            If we believe what we are told about the TV rights and the impact that Australia's largest city has on the commercial interests of the AFL - then maybe we should ask for a greater share of the $ Million's extra Sydney being in the comp generates - West Coast have for years looked after their players off the field as we know - as for the Victorian sides they still have small town syndrome supports and dream of the VFL, pie nights and dodgy characters - not many of their supporters live in the "suburbs" that their team represents - nothing story generated by a dodgy journalist - i feel better now

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                            • wolftone57
                              Veterans List
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 5857

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Danzar
                              I just take heart in the knowledge that whenever anyone gripes about it, it's because it's their team that is getting their butts kicked and deep down, they know full well it's because the better side beat the lesser side, not a salary cap concession.

                              They readily overlook the huge financial windfall Victorian clubs get from their member bases and gate takings.
                              They also forget how much money the AFL puts into propping them all up all the time. North, Bullies, Melbourne, Carlton, Saints, Tigers and even the Cats have had to get bail out packages from the AFL. Yes I know years ago so did we but they sent us up here and basically said sink or swim with absolutely no infrastructure at all. Unlike the other clubs that constantly hold their hands out for a cheque every year. They also get a far higher percentage of the 'Grass Roots Footy' dollar, especially in Victoria.

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