Tippett!!

[Bennymno4]

what in the bloody hell is this rumour jetta has been spotted in adelaide? If sydney trade jetta for that overrated hack in TIPPPETT I WILL NOT BE RENEWING MY MEMBERSHIP FOR 5 YEARS STRAIGHT.

Great, where do you sit?

[Bennymno4]

LRT is and he's too good to be playing in Canberra. There seems to be a panic that he is 30, or approaching 30 and therefore is close to his use-by date. Who can tell how much football he has left in him. As I said earlier in this thread, Fletcher is still playing late into his 30s. Yes, he's a freak but we could easily still get 2-3 more years of top quality football from both Ted and LRT. Grundy could break down with a chronic knee injury in two years and retire at 28, as Nic Fosike was forced to (and John Longmire at a similar age). It is folly to worry too far into the future when our premiership window is wide open and flapping in the wind. Our defensive depth may be largely unproven but we do have quite a number of options and I think at least a couple of them are excellent quality.

Dreamland, you don't build an afl team around hope and 'windows'
When do you think the Tippett questions were being asked? Prior to the grand final? It's called a professional AFL club looking to the future.

Who can tell how long LRT will last? The blokes in the club payed to make those judgements.

You know what folly is? Trading away quality for short term gain. The swans do not do that. We are well run.

Reg stays

[Bennymno4]

I did say they were depth players and not first choices. Without Grundy our KDs would be Richards, LRT and Johnson, as it was in the finals game with Adelaide. Spangher in his former life was a key defender. Walsh can be as well. Both have the size to do it. Everett is tall enough and athletic enough, but hasn't shown the toughness to do so. I reiterate, these are all backups, not first choices.

In the Adelaide game, If Richards and Grundy were both out, I would think that LRT would have taken Tippett. Probably Spangher would have been brought in as I think Everett was injured at the time and either Johnson or Spangher would have taken Walker. Not the best situation, but probably would have done as well as the Hawthorn defence did with them. I think by next year Johnson will be up to the task of taking the second best defender.

To me, this seems like reasonable depth. You can't have Glass, Richards, Grundy, Ben Reid and Josh Gibson all in the same team. Too much talent. Which 2 would you send to the reserves?

Not many teams can bring in reserve KPPs that perform as well as their first stringers. We don't know how well any of these backups will perform, because they never get a chance, as our defender are rarely out injured.

Everitt will never play KPP, Sphanger cannot get on the oval regularly. Walsh is not even close to afl standard (yet) the others are kids.

LRT is a gun (30) Ted is a gun (30) AJ is very very good. Where are we in 2014?

[liz]

Dreamland, you don't build an afl team around hope and 'windows'
When do you think the Tippett questions were being asked? Prior to the grand final? It's called a professional AFL club looking to the future.

Who can tell how long LRT will last? The blokes in the club payed to make those judgements.

You know what folly is? Trading away quality for short term gain. The swans do not do that. We are well run.

Reg stays

Our forward line was down right diabolical at times this year. We got where we did because our midfield was ultra-productive in front of goal but it is a hard way to play consistently.

You're right about the fact there are blokes in the club paid to make judgements about what the team / club need. Apparently they have determined that Tippett is part of the answer. If they want Tippett they are going to have to trade something that they might prefer to keep in an ideal world. That's the way trading works.

I'm relatively nonplussed about getting Tippett. If we get him, fine. If not, fine. But if since the club has decided it wants him, they will have to give something up. It may or may not be Reg. I just think he is the most palatable thing we can afford to lose of the players that have true trade currency. The alternatives are Hanners, Jack, Kennedy, Reid, Jetta, Rohan, Smith, Johnson, Parker, Bird or maybe Mitchell. Which do you want to give up?

[liz]

Where are we in 2014?

Hopefully celebrating going back-to-back.

[Bennymno4]

Hopefully celebrating going back-to-back.

Agreed

[Bennymno4]

Our forward line was down right diabolical at times this year. We got where we did because our midfield was ultra-productive in front of goal but it is a hard way to play consistently.

You're right about the fact there are blokes in the club paid to make judgements about what the team / club need. Apparently they have determined that Tippett is part of the answer. If they want Tippett they are going to have to trade something that they might prefer to keep in an ideal world. That's the way trading works.

I'm relatively nonplussed about getting Tippett. If we get him, fine. If not, fine. But if since the club has decided it wants him, they will have to give something up. It may or may not be Reg. I just think he is the most palatable thing we can afford to lose of the players that have true trade currency. The alternatives are Hanners, Jack, Kennedy, Reid, Jetta, Rohan, Smith, Johnson, Parker, Bird or maybe Mitchell. Which do you want to give up?

Tippett has chosen Sydney as his club of choice. He has agreed a heads agreement on a four year contract. He has an agreement to get to his club of choice.

We get Tippett, they don't get Reg or our young talent.

[Ludwig]

The following is a quote from M. Rucci in the Advertiser (Herald Sun), for whatever it's worth:

Sydney's preference to protect its premiership players from the trade talks stops a quick deal with Adelaide.

The Crows would accept losing Tippett in return for 26-year-old defender Heath Grundy, a rookie selection from SANFL club Norwood.

Adelaide would accept a like-for-like deal that delivers them 21-year-old key forward Sam Reid.

The Sam Reid reference is ridiculous. But as I suspected, the Crows would take Grundy in exchange. And I said they would be lucky to get such a good deal, and it seems they would be pleased by it as well. The fans are another story. It seems we want to give less. I'm fine with that. We will see how it ends up. But it looks as though Grundy out, Tippett in, is the worst that will happen for us.

[Bennymno4]

The following is a quote from M. Rucci in the Advertiser (Herald Sun), for whatever it's worth:

Sydney's preference to protect its premiership players from the trade talks stops a quick deal with Adelaide.

The Crows would accept losing Tippett in return for 26-year-old defender Heath Grundy, a rookie selection from SANFL club Norwood.

Adelaide would accept a like-for-like deal that delivers them 21-year-old key forward Sam Reid.

The Sam Reid reference is ridiculous. But as I suspected, the Crows would take Grundy in exchange. And I said they would be lucky to get such a good deal, and it seems they would be pleased by it as well. The fans are another story. It seems we want to give less. I'm fine with that. We will see how it ends up. But it looks as though Grundy out, Tippett in, is the worst that will happen for us.

Agree, let's see.
Look at page 1 and this one in 2 weeks

[DLBIA14]

Believe what you want and Ill believe what i want. One call to jetttas management saying we'll give you 200,000 grand more could easily sway a bloke.

Ever heard of a little thing called a contract? Jetta's bound by it. Every heard Jetta speak after the grannie? 'I love the Swans, I love the club and I'm going to stay there forever.' That's a direct quote.

Yeah, you can believe that bull@@@@ rumour and start stamping your feet up and down and I'll just believe the truth.

[Meg]

Half-time the swans are ahead by 16 - Gee whiz AJ has been good in this game. The way he ran away from gunston to handpass to malceski who then delivered into the middle for reid's goal was terrific.

Let us know if the ending has changed. Or on second thoughts, DON'T let us know!

[Ludwig]

If I were Beatson, I would be looking to get one of the better KPPs in the draft with our 1st round pick. But pick 23 may not be good enough. Perhaps a Grundy for Tippett plus a swap of 1st rounders would just be enough to seal the deal from our side. That would move us up 3 places. And we may then try to package something like White or TDL and that pick to get into the top 15. That would give us a bit more security to cover the loss of Reg. I think the Crows would take it, but the fans would go nuts. Probably both theirs and ours. But if Reg doesn't want to go, and I wouldn't blame him, it may be a long drawn out affair.

As a fan I would like to say take our 2nd rounder or stuff it, but in reality things don't work that way. I could live with the above hypothetical.

[DLBIA14]

The unfortunate thing for us is that the best KPP in the draft, Joe Daniher, was a possible F-S selection for us. However we were never really in the race - that Daniher trade continues to bite us in the butt. Funnily enough Essendon has a plethora of tall options while we are the club desperate to get one.

Anyway we can win another premiership next year while we still have our older players at their best. Should we draft a KPF (not that any reasonable one would be available at 22/23) we'd still have to wait way too long to get them up to the level needed.

Chasing Tippett is 100% the right decision IMO.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

If only we'd taken Darling.

[ScottH]

This thread is going around In circles big time!

Probably just like the negotiations.