Tippett!!

[DST]

The Wellingham deal sounds pretty fair to me. A lot of good deals going down this year and they seem to be fair and making our main competitors stronger. I almost feel that we have to do the Tippett deal on our terms just to keep up.

Wellingham at 17 is not the best outcome for us and our negotiations with the Crows.

Values Tippett at pick 23 plus a player in the current climate. If we don't do the trade with a player we will need to find another pick inside the top 15 to get the deal done without entering into a Mexican stand off with the Crows come deadline day.

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[Melbourne_Blood]

Tippett?

When the crowd are staring down the barrel of receiving nothing for Tippett on the last day of trade week , pick 23 and " insert fringe player here" will look pretty good.

[Ludwig]

If Tippett were a free agent he would cost us nothing (a la Goddard for the Bombers). Tippett with a year left on his contract is probably worth a pick 12 (Mitch Clark for example). A player out of contract and having a viable option to find an acceptable club in the PSD is worth something in between. My estimate is that you take the Clark deal, pick 12 and add 10 places, making pick 22. I would put up pick 22, White, TDL and Meredith and say they can have any 2. This would be laughed at last year, but I think it is very reasonable, if not generous, under the present circumstances. I would guess that even if Tippett went to the PSD, he would end up at the Swans, as illogical as that may sound. But the point was made, that teams don't like to take players that want to be somewhere else.

I would like to see the deal done, but there are risks with Tippett. He would certainly improve our team if all goes well with him. But we are far from desperate. If we can get a reasonable amount of improvement out of Reid, we will have a decent enough forward line. We don't need to sell the farm to get him.

[Dan]

All I've heard from Adelaide press releases is that they are after the best result for the club, and that if we don't offer them what they think is adequate Kurt will go to the PSD. Wouldn't anything be a better result than nothing? I think we will nab him on the last day with pick 22 plus a reserve player, maybe even adding our 3rd round pick in there.

[Ludwig]

I still think the most intelligent deal is a straight swap, Grundy for Tippett, because it improves both teams. Adelaide need a strong defender, but have plenty of promising forwards (Jenkins, Lynch, Henderson and Johnston). We need a big marking forward but have cover in defence (LRT, Spangher, Everett, Lockyer, Brown, and even Walsh).

Forget the emotion of losing a premiership player. A deal that benefits both sides is always the best one.

Adelaide should consider themselves lucky if this came to pass.

[Bennymno4]

I still think the most intelligent deal is a straight swap, Grundy for Tippett. We need a big marking forward but have cover in defence (LRT, Spangher, Everett, Lockyer, Brown, and even Walsh).


Adelaide should consider themselves lucky if this came to pass.

Lucky!!! They would be downright shocked.

The players you mention in our defence depth (with exception of LRT who is not young) are either not defenders or at best 'hopes for the future'

Grundy for Tippett will not happen

[liz]

I still think the most intelligent deal is a straight swap, Grundy for Tippett, because it improves both teams. Adelaide need a strong defender, but have plenty of promising forwards (Jenkins, Lynch, Henderson and Johnston). We need a big marking forward but have cover in defence (LRT, Spangher, Everett, Lockyer, Brown, and even Walsh).

Forget the emotion of losing a premiership player. A deal that benefits both sides is always the best one.

Adelaide should consider themselves lucky if this came to pass.

Whichever way I cut it, I come to the same answer too. It seems to make the most sense for everyone, with the possible exception of Grundy himself.

The Crows asked for Grundy last year when we were negotiating the Armstrong trade. Doubt they expected the request to be taken seriously but they asked, nonetheless. Now the prize on offer is of considerably more value than Armstrong.

The Crows will consider themselves a contender for 2013 after their 2012. They lack depth in KPDs, having lost Bock and Davis in recent seasons. Grundy is a nice bridge agewise between Talia and Rutten. They tried Shaw as a KPD when Talia got injured, but he doesn't look like a KPD, not yet, anyway. He's more of an AJ type - needs more strength and experience before graduating from a "3rd tall" role.

Conversely, we can afford to lose Reg in the very short term. We just switch LRT back there, who won't have a role in the forward line with Tippett there. And I think defence is the area we do have some depth, albeit developing and unproven. Heath has a bit of the B2 about him - wiry, undersized but fiercly competitive. AJ has development left in him that will see him turn into a key defender within the next year or three. Even Walsh looms as a possibility. I think he is more likely to make it in defence than up forward. He lacks pace (as does Grundy) but has excellent endurance, concetratation and on-field work rate.

I realise the rest of our established backline is getting on a bit, but if we want a short term improvement up forward, that may well be the price to pay.

Grundy has real trade currency as a quality, proven key defender in his prime years. Even if the Crows don't want him, someone else is bound to and what we get in return won't be far off what we need to get Tippett.

[707]

Been told by someone in Adelaide that the airwaves are full of foaming at the mouth comments and apparently the Sunday paper in Adelaide had a Kurt Tippett cut out that can be put on your dartboard!

How small town purile! and Adelaide is my home town :-(

[Captain]

Lucky!!! They would be downright shocked.

The players you mention in our defence depth (with exception of LRT who is not young) are either not defenders or at best 'hopes for the future'

Spot on. Could not have said it any better.

[Donners]

We gave up three draft picks - two under 20 - for Barry Hall, who statistically is very similar to where Tippett is now. The idea of trading just Grundy, or pick 22 and a fringe player, is very dubious at best.

[goswannie14]

Been told by someone in Adelaide that the airwaves are full of foaming at the mouth comments and apparently the Sunday paper in Adelaide had a Kurt Tippett cut out that can be put on your dartboard!

How small town purile! and Adelaide is my home town :-(

My ex was from there. It's a strange place.

[Ludwig]

Lucky!!! They would be downright shocked.

The players you mention in our defence depth (with exception of LRT who is not young) are either not defenders or at best 'hopes for the future'

Grundy for Tippett will not happen

The fans will be shocked, but the club will be lucky.

As for our players: Spangher played defence for WC before he came to us, Everett played mostly at HB for WB and was tried there as well for us, but was not all that great. Walsh has played both forward and back in the reserves with us and the Saints. True that Lockyer and Brown are untried, but that is always the case with new draft picks, but they are defenders nonetheless and will be groomed to replace the retiring Richards and LRT when the time comes. And there is also Campbell Heath, who looks like a probable replacement for Mattner at present, but can play taller. All the aforementioned are depth players, so would probably only be used if one of our 3 key defenders are injured. You can't have too many senior level players hanging about in the reserves, because they will want to be traded. I think the spread and quality of depth players we have for defence is just about right. And there are always more on the way with the upcoming draft.

[Bennymno4]

The fans will be shocked, but the club will be lucky.

As for our players: Spangher played defence for WC before he came to us, Everett played mostly at HB for WB and was tried there as well for us, but was not all that great. Walsh has played both forward and back in the reserves with us and the Saints. True that Lockyer and Brown are untried, but that is always the case with new draft picks, but they are defenders nonetheless and will be groomed to replace the retiring Richards and LRT when the time comes. And there is also Campbell Heath, who looks like a probable replacement for Mattner at present, but can play taller. All the aforementioned are depth players, so would probably only be used if one of our 3 key defenders are injured. You can't have too many senior level players hanging about in the reserves, because they will want to be traded. I think the spread and quality of depth players we have for defence is just about right. And there are always more on the way with the upcoming draft.

Reg is a key defender, which one of Everitt, sphanger (if he can play 3 games straight), Walsh or the kids is a key defender?

[Ludwig]

We gave up three draft picks - two under 20 - for Barry Hall, who statistically is very similar to where Tippett is now. The idea of trading just Grundy, or pick 22 and a fringe player, is very dubious at best.

If Adelaide get true fair market value for Tippett it will only be due to our generosity. Tippett's got one leg out the door already. They can get paid for the other leg or lose both for nothing. I honestly don't know what tact we will take on this. But looking at the way GC are dealing, I think they would enforce the so called gentleman's agreement and offer a 2nd round pick or let him go into the PSD.

[ernie koala]

IMO....It'll be Grundy and a pick ( late 2nd or 3rd round) for Tippett.

The pick could come from a White trade.