Tippett!!

[Ludwig]

If it is Jesse + pick 23 it's a fair outcome all around. I know Adelaide fans will think they got screwed, but I think this is close to the money. I would be pleased that we came to the table with a decent offer and can keep our reputation as fair traders intact. And I still think we have an opportunity to upgrade our 2nd round pick if we can get some interest in TDL. I will be interested in seeing what WCE get in exchange for Koby Stevens. I think TDL might be a good fit there.

[Jeffers1984]

Pick 23 + White is fine with me.

Beatson will find another Parker with Pick 42. This draft is deep (midfield talent wise).

[satchmopugdog]

Pick 23 + White is fine with me.

Beatson will find another Parker with Pick 42. This draft is deep (midfield talent wise).

I like your thinking Jeffers

[liz]

If it is Jesse + pick 23 it's a fair outcome all around. I know Adelaide fans will think they got screwed, but I think this is close to the money. I would be pleased that we came to the table with a decent offer and can keep our reputation as fair traders intact. And I still think we have an opportunity to upgrade our 2nd round pick if we can get some interest in TDL. I will be interested in seeing what WCE get in exchange for Koby Stevens. I think TDL might be a good fit there.

West Coast would be about the worst club for TDL, given they have Le Cras to come back from injury, which will probably push Josh Hill out of the team, who delivered far more this year than TDL has done. They also have Hams. He'd be well down the pecking order. I do think TDL could play a decent amount of senior AFL at the right club, particularly if he gets to string some games together and gets his confidence up. He definitely has some handy tools but I think it's become clear that Longmire and co aren't convinced.

Jesse +22/23 isn't really fair. It's an absolute steal for us, if it happens. But sometimes these things happen, and I'm sure we'll get screwed somewhere down the line with an out of contract player wanting out.

I find the suggestion by a few on here that the Swans were trying to hold onto the first round pick bizarre. We gave away a higher pick for Richards and another for Jolly when they were far less credentialled players than Tippett (and weren't being lured by a largish paycheck). If the Swans had had pick 10, I have little doubt they'd have handed that over for Tippett without a blink of the eye.

[Swanner]

Tippett?

It is not an absolute steal for us. We traded Jolly for pick 14 tippett is not as good ad jolly.

We did good but let's not overstate it.

[707]

It is not an absolute steal for us. We traded Jolly for pick 14 tippett is not as good ad jolly.

We did good but let's not overstate it.

Jolly was a second string ruckman when we gave pick 14 for him, over the odds in everyone's eyes but our recruiters. Same for the Teddy trade, we paid overs and it's not until the last two years that it hasn't been overs.

White is really a freebie so pick 23 is not a fair price, we'll owe the Crows in future.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Tippett?

707, we got pick 14 for Jolly when we traded him to the pies, we didn't give pick 14 up for Jolly when we got hi from the Dees. I am not sure exactly what we gave up for him ( anybody know this ? ) but I'd be staggered if it was anything close to a top 15 draft pick. He was well and truly behind Jeff White back then.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Tippett?

I apoligise, just checked and apparently we gave up pick 15 for him ! Lol

[ugg]

I wonder if the new ruck rules finally managed to push the deal over the line. Jesse's strength in the ruck is his leap and not having to wrestle with his opponent makes him a much more valuable commodity to have

Also wouldn't surprise me if the crows accepted the deal now in order to try to trade up picks 19 and 22 to something better

[Doctor]

I tend to agree ugg. When I heard about the new rules last night I thought that it would make Jesse a more attractive proposition and I doubt it's a coincidence that this deal has been pushed through so quickly since the change (if the rumour is true).

Natanui will be scarily good under the new rules btw.

[Bennymno4]

West Coast would be about the worst club for TDL, given they have Le Cras to come back from injury, which will probably push Josh Hill out of the team, who delivered far more this year than TDL has done. They also have Hams. He'd be well down the pecking order. I do think TDL could play a decent amount of senior AFL at the right club, particularly if he gets to string some games together and gets his confidence up. He definitely has some handy tools but I think it's become clear that Longmire and co aren't convinced.

Jesse +22/23 isn't really fair. It's an absolute steal for us, if it happens. But sometimes these things happen, and I'm sure we'll get screwed somewhere down the line with an out of contract player wanting out.

I find the suggestion by a few on here that the Swans were trying to hold onto the first round pick bizarre. We gave away a higher pick for Richards and another for Jolly when they were far less credentialled players than Tippett (and weren't being lured by a largish paycheck). If the Swans had had pick 10, I have little doubt they'd have handed that over for Tippett without a blink of the eye.

Really? What inside knowledge affords you that insight?

[Doctor]

Insight? Sounds like opinion to me, and a pretty well argued one.

[liz]

I'm not convinced this ruck rule change will have the impact people are expecting it to have - or at least, I think the impact is unpredictable. It only affects around the ground throw-ups and throw ins. Throw-ins, in particular, are harder to set up structures for due to the unpredictability of how deep the throw will be. And although contact can't be made before the ball is thrown, I think rucks are allowed to make contact immediately the ball has been thrown. Does that not give ruckmen the licence to bump into each other more forcefully as soon as the ball is in the air, so long as their main aim is to gain position, rather than to nudge the other ruckman out the contest? This could actually favour the bigger bodied rucks over the lighter, more athletic rucks who rely more on balance and jump. It is all going to come down to interpretations by the umpires, and even under the current rules ruck contest interpretations can be highly technical and subjective.

[jono2707]

Really? What inside knowledge affords you that insight?

You will learn to pay attention to everything Liz ever posts here. Liz is more knowledgeable than, and makes more sense than, most of the rest of us on here combined......

[liz]

You will learn to pay attention to everything Liz ever posts here. Liz is more knowledgeable than, and makes more sense than, most of the rest of us on here combined......

Jono, thanks for your kind words, though there are plenty of others who post stuff that makes as much sense as anything I come up with.

I'd like to stress that Doctor's post was correct - what I provided (what I always provide) is my opinion only. I have no inside knowledge and I have never professed to have any inside knowledge. My opinions are formed based on what I watch and read (with a healthy dose of scepticism applied to much of it) and from ideas and opinions exchanged with many of the other passionate and knowledgeable posters on here.

I do think that the Swans' trading track record over a decent period of time (ie most of this century) supports the notion that they are not precious about parting with good draft picks for a player they want. Their track record of drafting with picks in the 10-29 range indicates they have good cause not to be precious about trading away these picks, specially compared to their track record of drafting players from pick 30 or so onwards.