Fremantle interested in Jesse

[aardvark]

I don't think it's unreasonable to take a position to want to keep both Mummy and White, but if we could only keep one, I would rather keep Jesse.

Hang on, so instead of keeping the bloke who was best on ground Friday night you'd rather keep the bloke who had 2 possessions in the second half.
I'm interested in hearing the logic behind that statement.

[stellation]

Of line here, but did anyone else see Jesse and Reg sitting behind the judges during the X Factor on Sunday 1st? Just thought I would mention it. Because I can.

You might just be the only one willing to admit you watch it.

[Ludwig]

Hang on, so instead of keeping the bloke who was best on ground Friday night you'd rather keep the bloke who had 2 possessions in the second half.
I'm interested in hearing the logic behind that statement.

1. Of the Big 4 (Mummy, Pyke, Tippett and White) White offers something different in his speed and athleticism.
2. Despite Mummy being our best Ruckman, he will easier to replace than White. We have that position covered with the remaining 3 of the big 4.
3. Keeping White allows Reid to play back to form an attractive long term defensive duo of Reid and Johnson that could anchor our backline for 10 years.
4. I prefer the combination of Tippett and White to that of Tippett and Reid.
5. Mummy commands a higher salary, so if traded, releases more in salary cap, which could be used to attract or retain other players.
6. If White is traded out, then Reid will come back to the CHF position. We will still have the question of being too tall. And we will still have the problem of what our backline will be after Ted retires.
7. Mummy would definitely command a 1st round pick. I would guess about 1 round higher than White.
8. IMO White will be the next big thing. Whatever club he is at, by the end of 2014, we will all be talking about how he turned himself from a fringe player to a star CHF. He's got the tools, and he is now showing the desire.

I know it's controversial. I am going out on a limb here, and realise that Jesse could fold under the pressure of finals, in which case I will have to eat humble pie and change my view on all this. I also think that Mummy will have a dynamite finals and we will find it hard to let him go. I hope they both have great finals and we go all the way again, in which case I would suspect that we will find a way to keep both of them, which would please me to no end.

[Primmy]

You might just be the only one willing to admit you watch it.

Quite true Stella. Of course I record it, race through alllll the boring bits and there's Jesse's new facial hair. Lucky me, I get to pause and rewind, and there's Reg. From expression on their faces, I think it may be a one off.

[DK_]

1. Of the Big 4 (Mummy, Pyke, Tippett and White) White offers something different in his speed and athleticism.
2. Despite Mummy being our best Ruckman, he will easier to replace than White. We have that position covered with the remaining 3 of the big 4.
3. Keeping White allows Reid to play back to form an attractive long term defensive duo of Reid and Johnson that could anchor our backline for 10 years.
4. I prefer the combination of Tippett and White to that of Tippett and Reid.
5. Mummy commands a higher salary, so if traded, releases more in salary cap, which could be used to attract or retain other players.
6. If White is traded out, then Reid will come back to the CHF position. We will still have the question of being too tall. And we will still have the problem of what our backline will be after Ted retires.
7. Mummy would definitely command a 1st round pick. I would guess about 1 round higher than White.
8. IMO White will be the next big thing. Whatever club he is at, by the end of 2014, we will all be talking about how he turned himself from a fringe player to a star CHF. He's got the tools, and he is now showing the desire.

I know it's controversial. I am going out on a limb here, and realise that Jesse could fold under the pressure of finals, in which case I will have to eat humble pie and change my view on all this. I also think that Mummy will have a dynamite finals and we will find it hard to let him go. I hope they both have great finals and we go all the way again, in which case I would suspect that we will find a way to keep both of them, which would please me to no end.

I agree with pretty much all of this. BUT I also love the Mumford/Pyke combo. Pyke is best when he's released to take big grabs around the ground. Mumford does some awesome stuff in the ruck as well and is no slouch going both ways when Pyke is holding the fort. He's almost another midfielder once the ball's on the ground and will be very hard to replace.

I hope we can find room for them both. I think all this baloney about too many talls is just that - and mostly invented by Victorian media types who are worried about their favourite team's ability to hold them out. All four are mobile, athletic and fit. They're looking more fearsome each week and will be the backbone of our finals.

[aardvark]

1. Of the Big 4 (Mummy, Pyke, Tippett and White) White offers something different in his speed and athleticism.
2. Despite Mummy being our best Ruckman, he will easier to replace than White. We have that position covered with the remaining 3 of the big 4.
3. Keeping White allows Reid to play back to form an attractive long term defensive duo of Reid and Johnson that could anchor our backline for 10 years.
4. I prefer the combination of Tippett and White to that of Tippett and Reid.
5. Mummy commands a higher salary, so if traded, releases more in salary cap, which could be used to attract or retain other players.
6. If White is traded out, then Reid will come back to the CHF position. We will still have the question of being too tall. And we will still have the problem of what our backline will be after Ted retires.
7. Mummy would definitely command a 1st round pick. I would guess about 1 round higher than White.
8. IMO White will be the next big thing. Whatever club he is at, by the end of 2014, we will all be talking about how he turned himself from a fringe player to a star CHF. He's got the tools, and he is now showing the desire.

I know it's controversial. I am going out on a limb here, and realise that Jesse could fold under the pressure of finals, in which case I will have to eat humble pie and change my view on all this. I also think that Mummy will have a dynamite finals and we will find it hard to let him go. I hope they both have great finals and we go all the way again, in which case I would suspect that we will find a way to keep both of them, which would please me to no end.

Ok. I think you're over optimistic regarding Jessie but I'm happy to be wrong. I think there's plenty of room to keep both if that's what the club wants so hopefully we'll go back to back, mummy will stay and Jesse's fans will be right. But if it came to a choice between the two I'm not sure you'd have too many friends.

[Triple B]

I'd prefer to delay judgement on #4 until they actually get to play together...

[ernie koala]

Ok. I think you're over optimistic regarding Jessie but I'm happy to be wrong. I think there's plenty of room to keep both if that's what the club wants so hopefully we'll go back to back, mummy will stay and Jesse's fans will be right. But if it came to a choice between the two I'm not sure you'd have too many friends.

I've loved watching Whites rise this season ...but...I'm with you Aardvark ....

Non comparable...There isn't a club in the land that would take White ahead of Mummy......Oh wait..... maybe the pre Roos Demons would of.

[Melbournehammer]

I've loved watching Whites rise this season ...but...I'm with you Aardvark ....

Non comparable...There isn't a club in the land that would take White ahead of Mummy......Oh wait..... maybe the pre Roos Demons would of.

That is precisely ludwigs point. Mummy gets you a first round draft pick to (p155 up against a wall) Jesse maybe gets you a second round pick - see points 5-7.

For me personally - I hope Jesse makes the most of himself and his career. Instinctively I think he is playing about as well as he can and we are unlikely to see quantum improvements. 15 possession two goals should become what we expect from him. The real question is whether that is enough

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But isn't it great that we are now having this debate about his role in the club as a possible first team player into the future, rather than the dreaded list clogger debate that has been bandied about over the past few years

[ernie koala]

That is precisely ludwigs point. Mummy gets you a first round draft pick to (p155 up against a wall) Jesse maybe gets you a second round pick - see points 5-7.

Points 5 -7 are fine...But I'm not sure I'm running with points 2,4 and 8.

I too love the optimism....But ,"White will be the next big thing"....that's a stretch.

[magic.merkin]

I'd prefer to delay judgement on #4 until they actually get to play together...

You must have sneezed and missed the first 10mins of the 1st qrtr VS Dees.

haha, i guess we need a larger sample size

[Matimbo]

I hope we can re-sign both Mummy and Jesse, particularly with a question mark over the bodies of Goodesy and LRT holding up next year. If these latter two are fit and up for selection as well as Reid, Jesse would be the one most likely squeezed out along with Everitt. So if it had to be a choice between keeping Jessie or Mummy I would keep Mummy. He is our number 1 ruckman, just getting back to peak fitness after his long run with injury. With an injury free pre-season he will be mighty next year! And he and Pyke work well in tandem. Next year we should be aiming for, if not a 3-peat, a 2nd premiership within 3 years.

Re Mummy, I agree with other posters that he is our #1 ruckman and that the team seems to go better with him in the middle. I've always thought JK in particular seems to have his best games with Mummy on the field (just my impression, would be interested if the stats support this). No club wants to lose their #1 ruckman if they can avoid it.

Re Jesse, the article about him mid this year made me sit up and take notice. He talked about having finally learned that where he got by in the past with natural athleticism, he had to work much harder at AFL level. I got the sense that he'd finally matured mentally from a gifted amateur into a professional footballer. Mummy, Pyke and Tippett are KPPs that the opposition will have their obvious match-ups for. On the other hand, having Jesse roaming from wing to CHF in addition can be a much harder match up. For this reason I want us to try to retain Jesse.

[ernie koala]

New article on AFL site....."Mummy set to sign"......according to Mike Pyke that is.

Read into that what you will, but it's a promising story released on the AFL website....That'll do me.

'Mummy' set to be wrapped up, says Pyke - AFL.com.au

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The Swans have now released the same story with the far less certain title..."Pyke HOPES Mumford partnership will continue.......hmmmm.....not so bullish

[magic.merkin]

awesome!

regardless loved hearing Pyke.

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New article on AFL site....."Mummy set to sign"......according to Mike Pyke that is.

Read into that what you will, but it's a promising story released on the AFL website....That'll do me.

'Mummy' set to be wrapped up, says Pyke - AFL.com.au

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The Swans have now released the same story with the far less certain title..."Pyke HOPES Mumford partnership will continue.......hmmmm.....not so bullish

still... its a pyke article and they are leading with heading about Mumford... Pressure? Or a nod?

[ernie koala]

It's interesting that they chose to change the title so dramatically.