Fremantle interested in Jesse

[Wazza]

Im a huge fan of Jesse I drove the Jesse train for a few years but every time we left the station we ran out of fuel...if we can snag a decent CHB and I think there's a spare one over North Melb way, we should use him to get another tall defender to replace ... Grundy.

Cheers

Waz

[wolftone57]

I have a suspicion that there won't be much left in the salary cap budget for White as the club would have been planning for him to not be around after this year. There can't be too much room to move. Add to this the fact that White will go back down the tall-man pecking order next season and will almost certainly be reliant on injuries to get senior games. If another club offers him more money than the Swans possibly can and, more importantly, the "promise" of more regular senior footy, I wouldn't begrudge him seeking opportunities elsewhere.

The outcome of the Mumford situation might change things, both in terms of Jesse's chances of senior football next year and the salary cap room available to him. Despite Jesse's improved form over the past month, Mumford remains a more important player for us by some margin, IMO.

bit confused about not having enough money in the salary cap Liz. Morton retiring, Marty & Bolts retiring and they both would have been on very good money. The players who replace them on the list are going to be on the bottom rate. I think there is plenty of room in the cap for Jesse, after all he would only command maybe 100,000 more than this year. Freo are not going to offer him Tippet or Buddy money and I don't think he wants to leave anyway as all his mates are here and he is an eastern seaboard native. I don't think he really wanted to go to Adelaide either but wasn't given much choice as the Swans were offering him up.

What I don't get too Liz is you are still seeing Jesse as a ruckman. He is now a Key Forward and playing that role very well and what Mummy does should have no impact on his situation what so ever. It will impact Pykie, Naismith and possibly whether we draft Dawes.

[Ludwig]

bit confused about not having enough money in the salary cap Liz. Morton retiring, Marty & Bolts retiring and they both would have been on very good money. The players who replace them on the list are going to be on the bottom rate. I think there is plenty of room in the cap for Jesse, after all he would only command maybe 100,000 more than this year. Freo are not going to offer him Tippet or Buddy money and I don't think he wants to leave anyway as all his mates are here and he is an eastern seaboard native. I don't think he really wanted to go to Adelaide either but wasn't given much choice as the Swans were offering him up.

What I don't get too Liz is you are still seeing Jesse as a ruckman. He is now a Key Forward and playing that role very well and what Mummy does should have no impact on his situation what so ever. It will impact Pykie, Naismith and possibly whether we draft Dawes.

In fairness to Liz, whose post you were commenting on, Jesse has played 5 games since that post. First, I think Jesse will not be shuttled down the pecking order based on how he's been going this year. He is doing better in the forward role than Reid IMO. I am sure there will be a salary cap squeeze on if we try to sign both Mummy and Jesse, but somehow these things have a way of working out, especially if players want to stay on a successful team.

[Doctor]

I'm sure I read somewhere that we will actually have enough money to go after someone else in additional to who we already have. I doubt that means that keeping White & Mummy as well is an issue, unless we're assuming that one of them is already gone.

[BeeEmmAre]

And remember Jesse already has a healthy contract which he signed when the Suns were sniffing around. Despite his good form lately, I don't know if he'd get much more than that at all.

[CureTheSane]

Jesse was out of place on Fri night I though.
He couldn't take a contested mark and the ball rebounded from the forward line over and over.
He was matched up and double teamed.
Pike or mummy should have been down there with him more.
Eventually Mummy made it there, but it was too late.

I have never really had much to say about White.
But of late I think he's becomes quite a valuable forward in a good set up.
His efforts have been great and his decision making generally good.
I think we will trade him though, as he could be a #1 forward for another club and will learn to deal with filling that role over time.

[giant]

Jesse was out of place on Fri night I though.
He couldn't take a contested mark and the ball rebounded from the forward line over and over.
He was matched up and double teamed.
Pike or mummy should have been down there with him more.
Eventually Mummy made it there, but it was too late.

I have never really had much to say about White.
But of late I think he's becomes quite a valuable forward in a good set up.
His efforts have been great and his decision making generally good.
I think we will trade him though, as he could be a #1 forward for another club and will learn to deal with filling that role over time.

Very harsh, thought he was excellent again on Friday night.

[Ludwig]

The way I look at it is that Jesse's form has grown enormously this year, and it should be seen as a positive that he still has improvement in him. I agree that his contested marking and positioning in contested situations can improve a lot, as well as his defensive work. But I don't see why this shouldn't happen as he gains more senior game experience. If he ever turns into a complete player and reaches his full potential, he will be enormous, and I think there is every chance that will happen by this time next year. The question is whether this will be at the Swans or some other club. Why should we let him go, just when all the years of work we put into him is finally starting to pay off.

[Auntie.Gerald]

No reason we couldnt teach jesse to play in the backline either ........except that he is now a very strong player upfront

[Primmy]

Very harsh, thought he was excellent again on Friday night.

What giant said. You are kind of forgetting the first goal, and how it was achieved.

I would hate the club to move him on now, we have invested so much of our own energy into him.

[Triple B]

I would hate the club to move him on now, we have invested so much of our own energy into him.

Given his form in the second half of the season, I doubt very much the club will move him on willingly, but I can see a Geelong/Mummy situation developing here.

We went after Mummy and made him an offer he could scarcely refuse and an offer Geelong couldn't reasonably match given they had to juggle so many stars. The fact that it's proven to be a bargain buy at the price is not relevant because it's generally accepted that at the time it was over the odds and in hindsight the Swans pulled off a shrewd recruiting coup ... yet again.

I can see a club like the Bulldogs making Jesse a similar 'over the odds' offer that Jesse will more than likely take as even now there would still be a huge question mark on where he sits alongside Tippet and Sammy in the pecking order. The Swans may be disappointed to lose him, but will no doubt let him go with their blessing rather than get involved in a bidding war that could impact our ability to keep guys like Parker, Mitchell et al down the track.

[CureTheSane]

I didn't intend to sound harsh, just realistic.
Remember this is his first real go at it in the seniors - he is going to have some areas for improvement.
He's been stellar considering not only his relative short time in the side, but also what he is potentially dealing with inside his head "this is it, I need to perform here if I want to play on anywhere"
I dare say that he is feeling a lot better about his future now, so that will be a relief to him.

I'd like to keep him, and hope we do, but I'm wondering if we will end up with him.
I think he will be a top notch KP forward (soon)

[jono2707]

I hope we keep him too, but I think his value as more a utility type player will hold him in good stead. He doesn't do too badly when he lines up on a wing - he's mobile and a good target from the back line rebounds after all. He can pinch hit in the ruck too if required
- or even go on-ball on occasion. If he stays with us, I see a more varied role than just a stay at home forward.

[aardvark]

I didn't intend to sound harsh, just realistic.Remember this is his first real go at it in the seniors - he is going to have some areas for improvement.

He played 20 games in 2009 and 22 games in 2010.

[stellation]

He played 20 games in 2009 and 22 games in 2010.

It's probably a moot point, but the game totals were actually 18 and 20 for those years.

2009 he had the solid run to close the season as our main forward with Barry gone and did well. Coming into 2010 we grabbed Bradshaw and gave him that role and Jesse moved down the pecking order. When Braddy went down Jesse wasn't completely woeful, he kicked 17 goals from 12 games (from memory at least a couple of those games he played backup ruck as well) to close the season- which is circa 1.4 goals, which is pretty much right on Sam Reid's career best average from 2012. He memorably made way for Bradshaw to come back in to the side for the SF after a hell of a lot of weeks on the sidelines. 2011, 2012, start of 2013 he was mainly looked at to get a run as a backup ruckman, but we can probably say his best footy is played not having to shoulder that load.