Fremantle interested in Jesse

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I agree with all of this. If the Swans pull off another heist to surpass even 2005, then Jesse's will be one of the great stories of the year. Written off, career dead in the water, but instead of giving up, he was honest enough with himself to see where he fell short and fix it. He didn't even really expect to get another chance, but instead he's become critical to our chances of hoisting the cup again. His hard work has paid off, even if we don't quite go all the way.

Hmmm not an unfamiliar story at the Swans ... Luff, Kirk

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We're already arguably on the tall side with Mumford, White, Pyke and Tippett. They couldn't all possibly be in the team if Goodes and Reid were also available.

The thing with all the talls you've named is that they are generally agile, quick, good hands, generally ok kicks (except Goodsey & Sammy ... & to a lesser extent Tipsy with set shots), tackle well & seem to do well even once the ball goes to ground. On a dry day, those big boys don't get any shorter & will prove a headache matchup for any opposition. Even if only 75% of them are performing well in any given game, how many opposition teams have the height to confer them?
Plus Goodsey can play midfield, Jesse to the wing, Pyke/Tippett/Mummy rotate forward/ruck ... imposingly versatile talls. Maybe not such good tall balance in the wet tho

[Ludwig]

Despite his run of good form, I'm still not sure where Jesse sits in the pecking order. We're already arguably on the tall side with Mumford, White, Pyke and Tippett. They couldn't all possibly be in the team if Goodes and Reid were also available. People on here may not agree but I doubt Jesse has pushed himself ahead of Reid (a fit Reid, I'm not talking about this season) in the eyes of the coaches. It still might be best for him to move to a club where he's highly likely to get regular games without waiting for injury to hit. If nothing else, he's ensured he'll have a few suitors come seasons end.

If Mumford leaves the equation definitely changes as far as his immediate future at the Swans is concerned.

It seems that Jesse is more than just in a good run of form, although we should wait to see how he holds up in the heat of the finals. I thought he actually turned the corner last year when his production lifted in the reserves, but he didn't get a chance in the seniors. He appears a much improved player this year and I suppose he fits in the pecking order on the basis of how he's performed during the second half of the season, which is up several notches from last year.

Although it appears that we are too tall, it seems to have worked so far. It's a bit of an illusion because Tippett is so huge, but plays like a Drew Petrie, who is 5 or 6 cm shorter. If you replace Tippett with Petrie, we would probably not see our forward line as being too tall. I haven't done the numbers, but off the top of my head I would say the the combined heights of our 4 talls are around the same as Hawthorn's quartet of Bailey, Hale, Buddy and Roughy. And I havn't heard anyone saying they are too tall. Plus, they have Gunston as well, so why not add Goodes for us? Just a few thought on the matter.

All that said, I do agree that we will be faced with a dilemma next year when we have more options to work out a better team balance. I am a big fan of Mummy. I thought he was BOG on Friday. But it seems that he is the odd man out, and not because he's not good, but rather because he is so good and can command of high draft pick, he's out of contract, and will never be worth more than now. I know Reg is contracted till 2015, but he is also my odd man out in the backline. Next year, I see White staying forward and the KPDs as Ted, AJ and Reid. Maybe we could do a deal with GWS trading both Mummy and Reg for picks 10 and 20. We'd do okay with 3 picks in the top 20. We can reassess the prospects of Ted's eventual replacement next year.

This year has been unusual for the number of injuries we had to key talls, but we can't play next year as if there will be a repeat performance. Even with the suggestions I've made with positions and possible trades, if everyone returns from injury, we will still find it hard to find a place for LRT and Dre, barring injuries, which is why I suggested trading Mummy and Grundy, replacing two 27 YOs with a couple of 18s, and building toward the future.

[Auntie.Gerald]

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[Triple B]

I was watching the Ess Rich game on Sat night (the worst game of footy I've seen all year), and a commentator, probably Brian Taylor made the comment about Michael Hurley being a genuine "A" grader of todays game....

Most overhyped player in the game.

I'd still like him at the Swans because he can play both ends, but his career output to hype ratio is in the toilet..

[Snake]

Roos said tonight on OTC that he thought it was Jesse's best game for the club.

Agree, Jesse has really stepped up this year and taken his opportunities....

[Dosser]

Maybe we could do a deal with GWS trading both Mummy and Reg for picks 10 and 20. We'd do okay with 3 picks in the top 20. We can reassess the prospects of Ted's eventual replacement next year.

This year has been unusual for the number of injuries we had to key talls, but we can't play next year as if there will be a repeat performance. Even with the suggestions I've made with positions and possible trades, if everyone returns from injury, we will still find it hard to find a place for LRT and Dre, barring injuries, which is why I suggested trading Mummy and Grundy, replacing two 27 YOs with a couple of 18s, and building toward the future.

The Swans generally see 2nd round picks as a lottery, so they dont usually trade players for picks - they trade for other players.

[Jewels]

Sorry, but anyone who thinks we should trade Mummy or not fight tooth and nail to hold onto him has rocks in their head! We are so far and away a better team out of the middle when Mummy is on his game it's crazy and unless they can do a repeat of the Jolly trade, Mummy is one player I hope and pray they are working on keeping.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Sorry, but anyone who thinks we should trade Mummy or not fight tooth and nail to hold onto him has rocks in their head! We are so far and away a better team out of the middle when Mummy is on his game it's crazy and unless they can do a repeat of the Jolly trade, Mummy is one player I hope and pray they are working on keeping.

It's weird. I think a few people saying that don't realise how old Pyke is or that we won't be using Tippett as a ruckmen.

[DK_]

Sorry, but anyone who thinks we should trade Mummy or not fight tooth and nail to hold onto him has rocks in their head! We are so far and away a better team out of the middle when Mummy is on his game it's crazy and unless they can do a repeat of the Jolly trade, Mummy is one player I hope and pray they are working on keeping.

I'm with you. Everything works better with Mummy in the middle. Big presence and his work rate is massive!

[dimelb]

Pyke is 29, turns 30 next March, but he is different from nearly all other ruckmen in that he is only in his fourth season and has not been worn down by its demands, as (say) Jolly has. I think we can reasonably expect another two or three years from him, and if his learning curve continues he will end up as a celebrated player.
Having said that, Mummy is back in the number one ruck spot and we are seeing once again what he can do when injury free. He is, and will be for at least a couple more seasons, at the peak of his powers. I could tolerate it if he went to GWS, but I'd much rather he stayed where he is; I don't want to see him anywhere else, unless he goes to a bottom four team (he would go well at Melbourne), and if that were to happen there would be club officials killed in the rush to sign him.
I suspect we may lose LRT in the next season, and Jesse won't be doing much rucking if he stays. Tippett is, I think, in the same boat, wil fill in at ruck from time to time, but his day job is kicking goals.
And emerging in the background is Naismith, who seems to have got through his injuries and, judging by his last week's showing in the ressies, is back on development.
We can use all these blokes, but of them all I think a fit and firing Mummy is central to barging our way through the open door of opportunity we are now in.

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Pyke is 29, turns 30 next March, but he is different from nearly all other ruckmen in that he is only in his fourth season and has not been worn down by its demands, as (say) Jolly has. I think we can reasonably expect another two or three years from him, and if his learning curve continues he will end up as a celebrated player.
Having said that, Mummy is back in the number one ruck spot and we are seeing once again what he can do when injury free. He is, and will be for at least a couple more seasons, at the peak of his powers. I could tolerate it if he went to GWS, but I'd much rather he stayed where he is; I don't want to see him anywhere else, unless he goes to a bottom four team (he would go well at Melbourne), and if that were to happen there would be club officials killed in the rush to sign him.
I suspect we may lose LRT in the next season, and Jesse won't be doing much rucking if he stays. Tippett is, I think, in the same boat, wil fill in at ruck from time to time, but his day job is kicking goals.
And emerging in the background is Naismith, who seems to have got through his injuries and, judging by his last week's showing in the ressies, is back on development.
We can use all these blokes, but of them all I think a fit and firing Mummy is central to barging our way through the open door of opportunity we are now in.

[swansrob]

If we do lose Mummy, there's a promising kid playing for Werribee in the VFL who's on North's list but not getting a senior opportunity. Goes by the name of Currie. Could be an option!

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If we do lose Mummy, there's a promising kid playing for Werribee in the VFL who's on North's list but not getting a senior opportunity. Goes by the name of Currie. Could be an option!

Doubt it's an option, he just signed on for two more years

Keeping Mummy is a must IMO, and Jesse too!!

[ShockOfHair]

Mumford hasn't signed yet.

The Swans lured Mumford from Geelong on a lucrative four-year contract, but it's unlikely he will again be given such a long deal.

Mumford's manager, Anthony McConville, has said he has a ''relative amount of expectation'' during negotiations, but is open to a shorter contract.
Swans' tall order to re-sign tall timber

We definitely need to keep all our talls though. Not just Pyke getting on. Richards is 31, LRT turns 30 next week. Even Goodes will have to retire one day.

With all these tall forward options what are the odds that Sam Reid ends up playing the same role as his brother?

[Ludwig]

Sorry, but anyone who thinks we should trade Mummy or not fight tooth and nail to hold onto him has rocks in their head! We are so far and away a better team out of the middle when Mummy is on his game it's crazy and unless they can do a repeat of the Jolly trade, Mummy is one player I hope and pray they are working on keeping.

Play the ball - not the man.

Comments about trading Mummy were in reference to team balance and if we could carry all the ruck/forwards at the same time. So there are questions about who would you drop, Mummy, Pyke, Tippett or White? Not that easy a choice. Who's not playing because all these 4 are? Are we better with the big 4 guys or not? Who would get the best value at the trade table?

This is a big picture view and not about whether I think Mummy is a major contributor on the field, which I clearly think he is. I would rather lose Mummy than White, because I think it allows Reid to take Grundy's spot in the backline and I like the long term look of a Reid-Johnson combination. It also opens an extra spot at HF for someone like Towers or Membrey.

And we should remember that we got picks 14 and 46 for Darren Jolly in 2009, which got us Jetta and was part of the compensation for JPK and McGlynn. Hawthorn used pick 46 for Ben Stratten (not too shabby). We won the Granny with Mummy hobbled and Jetta starring.

There's also the salary cap issue. Mummy would probably command around 200k more than Jesse. That could be used to help sign another important player down the line.

There are many more angles to look at this than just whether so and so is a good player or not. I don't think it's unreasonable to take a position to want to keep both Mummy and White, but if we could only keep one, I would rather keep Jesse.

[Jewels]

Play the ball - not the man.

Comments about trading Mummy were in reference to team balance and if we could carry all the ruck/forwards at the same time. So there are questions about who would you drop, Mummy, Pyke, Tippett or White? Not that easy a choice. Who's not playing because all these 4 are? Are we better with the big 4 guys or not? Who would get the best value at the trade table?

This is a big picture view and not about whether I think Mummy is a major contributor on the field, which I clearly think he is. I would rather lose Mummy than White, because I think it allows Reid to take Grundy's spot in the backline and I like the long term look of a Reid-Johnson combination. It also opens an extra spot at HF for someone like Towers or Membrey.

And we should remember that we got picks 14 and 46 for Darren Jolly in 2009, which got us Jetta and was part of the compensation for JPK and McGlynn. Hawthorn used pick 46 for Ben Stratten (not too shabby). We won the Granny with Mummy hobbled and Jetta starring.

There's also the salary cap issue. Mummy would probably command around 200k more than Jesse. That could be used to help sign another important player down the line.

There are many more angles to look at this than just whether so and so is a good player or not. I don't think it's unreasonable to take a position to want to keep both Mummy and White, but if we could only keep one, I would rather keep Jesse.

Goodness me, sensative much? My statement was simply a colloquial term I used to express my thoughts on the matter. And before you climb on that very high horse of yours, read my post properly, I did say UNLESS WE CAN DO A REPEAT OF THE JOLLY TRADE so much of your ramblings are generally pointless.
As for your last sentence....