Fremantle interested in Jesse

[stellation]

If nothing else to take from this, it's probably nice for Jesse to hear his name mentioned in this way.

[AnsweredPrayers]

I think we have six players on the veterans list: Adam Goodes, Jude Bolton, Ryan O'Keefe, Jarrad McVeigh, Nick Malceski and Lewis Roberts-Thompson. You get about $112k salary cap relief for each.

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I could have added I love Jude and I think he has been an ornament to the game and the club. The Swans have a good history of list management (with the exception of first round draft picks) and I'm sure they'll sort it out. WRT Jessie I think he is good value and they'll try to keep him.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

According to the RWO wiki (which I can't remember ever being wrong) his contract expires at the end of the season, so he can go into the preseason draft and get to Footscray (who are apparently crying out for a key forward) if he so desired. However to get to Freo, they'll need to do a deal with us. Could we dare ask for a 1st round draft pick?

[stellation]

I'd be a little annoyed if he left. He admits he never really pushed himself until now and it's not like he's been on small contracts.

If he left after finally deciding to give a stuff it'd be a bit of a slap in the face.

That's a relatively hard line view to take. If he continues to play out of his skin and the best we can do in the off season is low dollars and tell him all things going to plan he's back to rucking the NEAFL next season (not saying it would be the case) it'd be a pretty harsh response to frown on him if he wanted to go to another club that can offer him more.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

That's a relatively hard line view to take. If he continues to play out of his skin and the best we can do in the off season is low dollars and tell him all things going to plan he's back to rucking the NEAFL next season (not saying it would be the case) it'd be a pretty harsh response to frown on him if he wanted to go to another club that can offer him more.

True but I doubt we'll tell him that. Goodes isn't getting younger and LRT could struggle to be the player he once was.

We should be sticking with White.

[Cant turn right]

I liked Gerard Healy's comment last night on 'On the Couch'

It went something like 'Last year Jesse was hardly worth 50c, but this year he's worth $500 000.'

[wolftone57]

1st Round pick or....Pavlich.

Pav is contracted until the end of his career basically. But other than that we don't want old players we alrready have enough old champions of our own without getting other teams old champions.

[Ludwig]

I have a suspicion that there won't be much left in the salary cap budget for White as the club would have been planning for him to not be around after this year. There can't be too much room to move. Add to this the fact that White will go back down the tall-man pecking order next season and will almost certainly be reliant on injuries to get senior games. If another club offers him more money than the Swans possibly can and, more importantly, the "promise" of more regular senior footy, I wouldn't begrudge him seeking opportunities elsewhere.

The outcome of the Mumford situation might change things, both in terms of Jesse's chances of senior football next year and the salary cap room available to him. Despite Jesse's improved form over the past month, Mumford remains a more important player for us by some margin, IMO.

I agree with most of this, but it's a bit presumptuous that Jesse will find himself back down in the pecking order once our injured talls are fit again. Surely the reason that he's managed to stay on our list so long was that we were waiting for the day that he would begin to perform up to his potential. If Jesse stays the course and puts in consistent performances, he will retain his spot through the finals (maybe even winning a premiership). Why would we trade him and why would he want to leave?

There are a few 'ifs' here and we've been let down before, but there's only a couple of months to go before we know where we stand. I think Jesse is ahead of Reid at CHF based on current form. Reid can play in defence. We will need KPDs in the coming years. White could help set our forward line for the next 6 years and Reid with AJ for the next 10.

If you look around the league, KPPs are at such a premium now, you have to find a way to keep the good ones that you've got. I also agree that we are likely to find ourselves with salary cap pressure, but usually teams manage to find to a way to sign the ones they want to keep. I am sure both Jesse and Mummy want to stay with the club.

[wolftone57]

True but I doubt we'll tell him that. Goodes isn't getting younger and LRT could struggle to be the player he once was.

We should be sticking with White.

i don't think LRT will come back. I will be very surprised if he does not announce his retirement. Goodsie has only one to two seasons left and with injury the way it is maybe less.

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I agree with most of this, but it's a bit presumptuous that Jesse will find himself back down in the pecking order once our injured talls are fit again. Surely the reason that he's managed to stay on our list so long was that we were waiting for the day that he would begin to perform up to his potential. If Jesse stays the course and puts in consistent performances, he will retain his spot through the finals (maybe even winning a premiership). Why would we trade him and why would he want to leave?

There are a few 'ifs' here and we've been let down before, but there's only a couple of months to go before we know where we stand. I think Jesse is ahead of Reid at CHF based on current form. Reid can play in defence. We will need KPDs in the coming years. White could help set our forward line for the next 6 years and Reid with AJ for the next 10.

If you look around the league, KPPs are at such a premium now, you have to find a way to keep the good ones that you've got. I also agree that we are likely to find ourselves with salary cap pressure, but usually teams manage to find to a way to sign the ones they want to keep. I am sure both Jesse and Mummy want to stay with the club.

With both Sam & Jesse playing their junior footy in defence it would not be a hard transition for either of them. But Sam is the obvious one as he is such a crap kick anywhere near goal, give him a long shot no worries. A really interesting comment during the Collingwood match was that Ben Reid played all of his junior footy at CHF and Sam played it at CHB.

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I have a suspicion that there won't be much left in the salary cap budget for White as the club would have been planning for him to not be around after this year. There can't be too much room to move. Add to this the fact that White will go back down the tall-man pecking order next season and will almost certainly be reliant on injuries to get senior games. If another club offers him more money than the Swans possibly can and, more importantly, the "promise" of more regular senior footy, I wouldn't begrudge him seeking opportunities elsewhere.

The outcome of the Mumford situation might change things, both in terms of Jesse's chances of senior football next year and the salary cap room available to him. Despite Jesse's improved form over the past month, Mumford remains a more important player for us by some margin, IMO.

Liz I think you are forgetting that we will have retirements. Marty has already gone and his salary won't have been small. I think bolts, LRT & Shaw are likely to call it quits at the end of the season. I really don't think we have a problem fitting him in anyway as we have so many veterans. After we got Tippett we still had money left over.

[Bloodthirsty]

The club invested in Reid as a forward because WHite wasn't performing and we didn't have Tippett. White and Tippett and resting rucks negate the need for Reid up forward, but I'd love to see him as a tall defender.

[ShockOfHair]

Good luck to Jesse - Dockers have all that cash they were going to throw at Buddy. But I hope he stays. Am enjoying his form as much as anything this year.

[Jeynez]

We should do as much as we can to resign White, he is on the verge of a Tom Hawkins like breakout, and Ross Lyon clearly recognizes this. Although if he does wish to move for a more secure role, we can't really blame him. I'm not sure how we're going to be able to fit both he and Mummy into our salary cap though.

[Swansongster]

We should do as much as we can to resign White, he is on the verge of a Tom Hawkins like breakout, and Ross Lyon clearly recognizes this. Although if he does wish to move for a more secure role, we can't really blame him. I'm not sure how we're going to be able to fit both he and Mummy into our salary cap though.

What a treat it would be to see Jesse stand up and almost single-handedly win a Grand Final for his team (as Hawkins did in 2011). Would that shut up the knockers?

Hawkins is actually a pretty good analogy for our Jesse.

[wolftone57]

We should do as much as we can to resign White, he is on the verge of a Tom Hawkins like breakout, and Ross Lyon clearly recognizes this. Although if he does wish to move for a more secure role, we can't really blame him. I'm not sure how we're going to be able to fit both he and Mummy into our salary cap though.

By retiring players. There are some on the verge who I would bet will retire this year. We still had some money left after we got Tip so that also counts.

[Doctor]

We also have some money from Mattner retiring?