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  • goswannies
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2007
    • 3051

    #16
    Originally posted by AnnieH
    Goodness gracious.
    I'm not even going to bother with this one.

    You people are nuts.
    Voice of reason!

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    • Doctor
      Bay 29
      • Sep 2003
      • 2757

      #17
      Originally posted by aardvark
      Geez guys Colless came out in the middle of the year and stated publicly that we have room in the cap for at least one more established player. With 3 retirements already we have tons of room to keep whoever we want..........if that's what we want!
      Yep. "If that's what we want" being the key statement. We were quite ruthless last year with who we cut so that may not happen again this year.
      Today's a draft of your epitaph

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      • 707
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2009
        • 6204

        #18
        Don't think there will be much happen dramatic this year unless Mumford leaves which will free up another spot and more salary cap, then it will get interesting.

        Some of the previous comments appear well way from reality. We had a big clean out last year so this year will be more restrained and all the rookies look like keepers which is nice.

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        • Mug Punter
          On the Rookie List
          • Nov 2009
          • 3325

          #19
          Originally posted by 707
          Don't think there will be much happen dramatic this year unless Mumford leaves which will free up another spot and more salary cap, then it will get interesting.

          Some of the previous comments appear well way from reality. We had a big clean out last year so this year will be more restrained and all the rookies look like keepers which is nice.
          Mumford leaving would be a massive issue for us as top line ruckmen are not exactly floating around these days. Pike is fine as a number 2 and I guess we have KT as another option but it would create a massive hole in our list.

          Can see them really going all out to re-sign him. Cannot understand the euphoria over Jesse, he has had a servicable season and he'd leave with my best wishes but him walking won't be a huge loss. Reckon we would be a good fit for either the Demons or the Doggies next season....

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          • Matt80
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Sep 2013
            • 1802

            #20
            I'm backing Goodes to be in great shape for 2014, and I believe he will have a great season!

            He did his PCL in the 2012 Grand Final and could not get going in the 2013 preseason, that led to him underdone in the early part in 2013, but he did put together match winning efforts against Collingwood and Essondon. His body will be ready for the rigours of preseason and he should start 2014 in great shape.

            I see him playing the Jude Bolton small forward role in 2014, with some burst periods on the ball. He would be able to be at the feet of Kurt Tippett, Sam Reid and Jesse White. He would require a decent opponent, which would help the other tall targets. When he does find space he would also be a damaging over head target.

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              #21
              Originally posted by Mug Punter
              Mumford leaving would be a massive issue for us as top line ruckmen are not exactly floating around these days. Pike is fine as a number 2 and I guess we have KT as another option but it would create a massive hole in our list.

              Can see them really going all out to re-sign him. Cannot understand the euphoria over Jesse, he has had a servicable season and he'd leave with my best wishes but him walking won't be a huge loss. Reckon we would be a good fit for either the Demons or the Doggies next season....
              Respectfully disagree on most counts here.

              Jesse White has been more than just serviceable. In fact, I believe in the back half of this season he has put together the best performance either he or Sam Reid has had for any similar period. He's been right up there with many of the better forwards in the league. In last week's game he had some truly first rate passages of play with third efforts, good marking and excellent field kicking. In particular, I am thinking about the stretch of play leading up to Parker's second goal. I am becoming ever more convinced that he is a quality CHF.

              Pyke is an excellent tap ruckman who is more than capable of filling the number 1 ruckman role, as he has on many occasions. No doubt that Mummy is a high quality ruckman too. The 2 of them are a good combination. But perhaps along with Tippett and White, we are a bit top heavy as they say. Tippett and White are both very good ruckmen for key forwards, and believe a Pyke, Tippett and White combo is the best scenario going forward. I can't see any holes here. I don't think inserting Reid for White changes this picture. Both are athletic, quick and mobile. The advantage of White is that he can ruck a well. I think Reid's best position will be at CHB.

              I think signing Mummy, as good as he is, will create a situation of having too many good tall players and will find it difficult playing them all at the same time. They are all too good to be depth players.

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              • Matt80
                Suspended by the MRP
                • Sep 2013
                • 1802

                #22
                Well done Ludwig! Agree with what you have said.

                Letting go of Mumford may be good Business for the Swans. We could get a late first round pick for him after getting him for a second round pick.

                The Jolly trade to Collingwood was good business for the Swans as we got a first round pick, and his 4 years at Collingwood we not as good as his seasons with the Swans.

                Mumford is 27 now and his next four years may not be as productive as his previous 4 years. The time may be right to get good value for Mumford!

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                • bloodsbigot
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 813

                  #23
                  It will be a tragedy if we lose Lamb.

                  Not sure why he doesn't play more regularly. Guy is class.

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                  • Jewels
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 3258

                    #24
                    Originally posted by bloodsbigot
                    It will be a tragedy if we lose Lamb.

                    Not sure why he doesn't play more regularly. Guy is class.
                    Agree

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                    • crackedactor
                      Regular in the Side
                      • May 2012
                      • 919

                      #25
                      Originally posted by bloodsbigot
                      It will be a tragedy if we lose Lamb.

                      Not sure why he doesn't play more regularly. Guy is class.
                      I agree also 100%, he has a touch of class. I think he is much better value than Cunningham and I am hoping Lamb plays this weekend. If not I will be disappointed.

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                      • Matt80
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Sep 2013
                        • 1802

                        #26
                        Lamb does have good skills and good hands, but he does not seem as fast or as strong defensibly as othet swans players.

                        Garry Rohan is fast and always gives a full hearted physical contest in at every opportunity.

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                        • DA_Swan
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 322

                          #27
                          Can any of those happy to see Mumford leave and rely on Pyke as our "Tap Ruckman" let me know when they have seen Pyke give off a pass by foot like Mumford did to Cunningham or Pyke make a second and third effort when the ball is on the ground and then give a knock on or hand pass to advantage - it is why Mumford is so much better than Pyke when the going is tough in tight or around the ground - Pyke is a better mark and and a good set shot - Mumford is a better "footballer" and does the 1% much better than Pyke - he will be a huge loss if he goes

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                          • dimelb
                            pr. dim-melb; m not f
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 6889

                            #28
                            Originally posted by bloodsbigot
                            It will be a tragedy if we lose Lamb.

                            Not sure why he doesn't play more regularly. Guy is class.
                            My worry with Lamb is that we will find ourselves in the same predicament that Brisbane did with Craig Bolton, and if so, we will rue the day we let him go. He may not be super fast like Jetts or B Jack, but he is fast enough, a very clever player, strong through the midfield and generally a good reliable kick. He ought to be Jude's automatic replacement.
                            And I think it's worth working out how to keep Mummy on the books.
                            He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                            • Ludwig
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9359

                              #29
                              Originally posted by DA_Swan
                              Can any of those happy to see Mumford leave and rely on Pyke as our "Tap Ruckman" let me know when they have seen Pyke give off a pass by foot like Mumford did to Cunningham or Pyke make a second and third effort when the ball is on the ground and then give a knock on or hand pass to advantage - it is why Mumford is so much better than Pyke when the going is tough in tight or around the ground - Pyke is a better mark and and a good set shot - Mumford is a better "footballer" and does the 1% much better than Pyke - he will be a huge loss if he goes
                              This is quite true, but still doesn't change the equation of what is best for team balance. I think if we could foresee what a great contested mark and kick for goal that Pyke would become this year and how much Jesse White would improve, we may have not chased after Tippett. So it turns out that we are heavily committed to a Tippett and Pyke combination and have Mummy and White out of contract. Reid is on the sidelines waiting for a spot next season.

                              Now we have this dilemma of how many of these can realistically fit into the same side. Who doesn't play if all of these tall play? Who to keep and who to let go?

                              It's not an easy call. There's probably talks that have been going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. Maybe a decision has already been made. Maybe there's a trade just waiting for the end of the season.

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                              • AnnieH
                                RWOs Black Sheep
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 11332

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Matt80
                                I'm backing Goodes to be in great shape for 2014, and I believe he will have a great season!

                                He did his PCL in the 2012 Grand Final and could not get going in the 2013 preseason, that led to him underdone in the early part in 2013, but he did put together match winning efforts against Collingwood and Essondon. His body will be ready for the rigours of preseason and he should start 2014 in great shape.

                                I see him playing the Jude Bolton small forward role in 2014, with some burst periods on the ball. He would be able to be at the feet of Kurt Tippett, Sam Reid and Jesse White. He would require a decent opponent, which would help the other tall targets. When he does find space he would also be a damaging over head target.
                                What he said.
                                (Just quietly, I'm waiting for the "Goodesy's going to retire" announcement. I'm thinking it'll happen after we play our last game. Shhhhhhhhh. Don't tell anyone.)
                                Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                                Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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