Swans 2013 Draft Strategy

[sharp9]

Kinnear Beatson said we would have 38 seniors an 7 rookies.....job done!

Lloyd, Richards, Biggs, Robinson, Perris, Naismith and Mitchell. International, Academy, NSW zone players and players not registered at any club for 3 years can be selected as one of up to 3 category "B" rookies. So Robinson (NSW), Naismith (NSW) Perris (Academy) and Mitchell (International) all qualify for that.

I think I got that right. Technically we are allowed 2 more players on the total list and they can be rookies of seniors.

[ned]

Kinnear Beatson said we would have 38 seniors an 7 rookies.....job done!

Lloyd, Richards, Biggs, Robinson, Perris, Naismith and Mitchell. International, Academy, NSW zone players and players not registered at any club for 3 years can be selected as one of up to 3 category "B" rookies. So Robinson (NSW), Naismith (NSW) Perris (Academy) and Mitchell (International) all qualify for that.

I think I got that right. Technically we are allowed 2 more players on the total list and they can be rookies of seniors.

That was my understanding as well, although I didn't realise Robinson and Perris could also be Cat B. My take on Beatson's words was that the list makeup would be 38 and 7, but since Cat B rookies are outside the list they don't count.

[liz]

That was my understanding as well, although I didn't realise Robinson and Perris could also be Cat B. My take on Beatson's words was that the list makeup would be 38 and 7, but since Cat B rookies are outside the list they don't count.

The maximum Cat A rookies is 6 (if you only have a senior list of 38).

[ned]

The maximum Cat A rookies is 6 (if you only have a senior list of 38).

Thanks Liz, so does that mean if Mitchell and Perris were both cat B we would have one cat A rookie spot available for next week? I know Beatson apparently said we would have 7 rookies, but I imagine Mitchell is very much the same sort of proposition as Starling was, and I don't recall anyone at the club ever referring to him as part of the list makeup.

[liz]

Thanks Liz, so does that mean if Mitchell and Perris were both cat B we would have one cat A rookie spot available for next week? I know Beatson apparently said we would have 7 rookies, but I imagine Mitchell is very much the same sort of proposition as Starling was, and I don't recall anyone at the club ever referring to him as part of the list makeup.

We have two spots available (but none that will likely be used). Since Naismith and Robinson qualify to go onto either list, it doesn't much matter which list these are viewed to belong to.

Starling was never actually drafted. He was on an international scholarship but either he or the Swans pulled the plug before he ever officially joined the list.

[Ludwig]

A peek at 2014

GWS is planning to snatch Nic Naitanui, who although not a free agent could be looking at 1.5 mil a year, which only GWS can pay. I am sure now that they missed out on Buddy they will make this one happen.

So it looks like this is in part why Mummy got a big 3 year contract, because he may not even last the third year before he retires to the sausage farm. Not a bad strategy having a ruck combo of NicNat and Rory Lobb a couple of years down the road.

They are stockpiling 1st round draft picks that they can trade off for future first round draft picks until they get an ultimate team of superstars. Whether this translates into a super team is hard to say. But you can bet that it won't be long before the Swans are not the only AFL game in town.

Our trading and drafting has got us into a very good position where we have most positions well covered for some time into the future. The only doubt remains over the replacement of Ted, LRT and Reg over the next few years. Maybe X, PM or Aliir will be the answer.

Next year we might look at taking one midfielder in academy player Isaac Heeney and target the 2 best KPPs we can land. I can see a couple of established midfielders being on the trade table to get us high into the draft order to secure some of the premium tall talent that is projected to be on display next draft. Maybe it was part of our draft strategy not to invest too much into KPD this year, see how 2014 goes with existing prospects, and then go all out at the next draft if required.

As long as Blake Acres doesn't become a bigger star than Zak Jones, I'll be quite pleased with how the post season went this year.

[Wazza]

I think we did pretty well the only surprise for me was, I thought we would rookie draft J Tippet who has been really good in SANFL. I don't understand the risk in drafting Aliir vs drafting Tippett as a rookie ready to play defender? Time will tell.

Cheers

Waz

[Auntie.Gerald]

my guess is that they think ted has another two seasons in him
they are happy with reg still in the rotation with Ted on key forwards

therefore with AJ coming back and being groomed as one of the key defenders or the future and us still having LRT with another year or two you would guess that Jnr Tip doesnt have a spot in the 22

especially with Rampe in my opinion being in the back 6 as a 3rd defender

that is too many

hence a development player that wont be needed in snrs for two seasons unless he blitzes it was a great call and cheap with massive upside

[bandwagon]

I love Rampe, but the days of a 189cm key defender are long gone, look at the mob down the road - Boyd, Patton, Cameron are all huge.
Anyway he has looked the part rebounding and kicking long. We will see I guess.

[Ludwig]

I love Rampe, but the days of a 189cm key defender are long gone, look at the mob down the road - Boyd, Patton, Cameron are all huge.
Anyway he has looked the part rebounding and kicking long. We will see I guess.

The days of the 189cm key defender may be gone, but this size defender is becoming more important as they have to adjust to covering both short quick players and those taller than themselves as well. Many under 180 cm forwards like Michael Walters and Jamie Elliot have huge vertical leaps and have outmarked much taller coverage on a regular basis.

We may go with a forward line that includes Buddy, Tippett, Reid, Goodes and Rohan, with Pyke sneaking forward. So a team needs 3 legitimate tall defenders to cover this lot and a couple around the 189 mark to handle Goodes and Rohan. And they have to be quick as well. As you pointed out, we are not the only side developing a tall quick forward line, so we have some work to do as well. It's going to be tough covering the likes of Boyd, Patton and Cameron who all have size on Ted, Reg and AJ.

[swans]

I love Rampe, but the days of a 189cm key defender are long gone, look at the mob down the road - Boyd, Patton, Cameron are all huge.
Anyway he has looked the part rebounding and kicking long. We will see I guess.

You do need a aliir type at 197 cm that is able to jump over the forwards in the dry. But in the wet aliir would be mashed by Boyd or Patton as they are too big.

Swans feel that next year draft has better kpp and hope to improve in this areas from next years onward.

Because the afl draft is a handly cap system it hard to fill key needs with one draft.

building a team is a hard thing to get right. we may need to traded or free agency to find kpp players in coming years for position as required.

2013 draft was a mid field draft and the swans picked to it's strength and to filled current needs.

Gws is looking to move into playing finials as soon as they can and i am all for that.
They get a extra 1m a year and reduced by $200k each year for 5 years to help build there list quickly.

Buying 1million dollar players each year will be limited to start up years for gws what it was designed to achieve.

Building a great afl team from scratch is not easy to get right the first time with no majic bullet but gws has had a great job with the players they have selected and may be looking to trade to improve there list next year.

The swans backline needs addressing next year and in the furture. The players requirement are changing as it is becoming a ever more specialists role.

Kpd 195cm players with strength and speed with great ball skills that can play on smalls and talls are hard to find in the draft.

The Swans will be looking for players that can run all day and deliver the ball 50 meters into the forward line. They are very hard to find in the current draft system.

Kpp Players need alot of specialists coaching and may spend many years developing in the two,s so fast tracking them is a real need in the swans case.

gws will have a surplus of talent in future years and swans and gws should work together to improve there lists if needed.

if there are needs by both teams working together to trade to improve each clubs list will benefit both teams.

A win win for each team and NSW attendences should increases ... TV right.

we have given gws mummy and lamb in this years draft. The relationships between the two clubs should be on a good footings moving forward to improve each others lists in the future years.

I see no reasons for gws or the swans to be successful for many years and look forwards to seeing both teams play in there first finials series together.

[RogueSwan]

I think Rampe toward the end of the season had already surpassed the Mattner of 2012, ...

This is the Mattner that single handedly stopped the Hawks rebounding from Pebbles errant kick in the closing minutes of the GF? 1:30 in, Super Marty at his best. The rest of the clip is pretty good to watch too :-)
Operation tackle - 2012 AFL Grand Final - YouTube

[Primmy]

Right then, that closes that argument.
We often owed Marty big time.
That's the trouble with slipping under the radar, not everyone sees you.
Always a great player in my eyes. Respect sir.

[707]

Still confused when KPD seems to be our biggest area of concern going forward that we left Joel Tippett to others clutches in the Rookie Draft. Worried we still have players coming off serious 2013 injuries with little depth.

Yes, I know I shouldn't be doubting the wisdom of our recruiting strategy but injuries to just two of our existing few KPD and we would be cooked against bigger forward lines. An 18yo KPD from the 2014 draft won't fill the vacancy until 2017. Just saying we should have gone with the fully mature Tippett that's all.

[Auntie.Gerald]

J.Tippett i dont believe would get a game for 2yrs unless we had a significant injury - he has Ted, Grundy, LRT, AJ ahead of him for the two major KPD spots

I believe that AJ is that KPD in two years time as a regular spot when Ted retires........a little like Harry Taylor in his development path ie Taylor is 193cm and 93kg and even Ted is almost the same weight and height

LRT is our stop gap the next two years as a KPD if AJ cant do it as well just yet or is not needed

AA is our long shot but who knows ?