Swans 2013 Draft Strategy

[swans]

If the swans pick up joel Tippett that would be three brothers in the same team.

I also think Joel would be a great pick for the swans and with jobb as ruck and any other best fit player mid or backman the swans will look OK.

The team would have need to start to build for 2015 and onwards.
With a few going in the next few years and the back 6 getting older. grundy is the one that may struggle next year, he was starting to slow down later in the year, and we do need to cover the centre half back in case we lost. A ted or Grundy to injury next year.

It no good having best forwards if swans back can,t stop the goals at the other end.

It going to be a interesting draft the next two draft 2013 , 2014 for the swans to plan for the furture departure's of a number of senior players.

Grundy, goodes, lrt, Ted, ryan o,keef, shaw

That why we should still pick the best player in each round to fill any future departures needs.

Yes ruck has highest priority. But let hope not at the expense of missing a gun player that falls though to pick 15.
If none then happy to pick up a ruck.

We don,t won't to miss any further stars, we can always get a older ruckman to fill the role in the pre session draft if we needed too.

Info on joel
The younger brother of Sydney Swans superstar Kurt Tippett enjoyed another stellar year for West Adelaide, reflected by his selection in the state side. His test results at the recent state combine were nothing short of sensational, producing the highest vertical leap, the second best time in the agility course and third in the 20m sprint and 30m repeat sprints. At 197cm and 96kg, Tippett is a super agile full-back who has matured greatly since departing Gold Coast in 2011.

Draft Next week we are going to have some of these question answered after the draft.
And any players we miss out on planing will continue to fill the gaps in any furture drafts.

Anything can happen and good players can fall down the order, we know the swans drafting will do there best to fill ruck and other positions as best they can.

We know the swans are going to pick best player in each round looking at clubs needs.

Let hope the swans first round pick is going to be a gun.

[wolftone57]

If the swans pick up joel Tippett that would be three bothers in the same team.

I also think Joel would be a great pick for the swans and with jobb as ruck and any other best fit player mid or backman the swans will look OK.

The team would have need to start to build for 2015 and onwards.
With a few going in the next few years and the back 6 getting older. grundy is the one that may struggle next year, he was starting to slow down later in the year, and we do need to cover the centre half back in case we lost. A ted or Grundy to injury next year.

It no good having best forwards if swans back can,t stop the goals at the other end.

It going to be a interesting draft the next two draft 2013 , 2014 for the swans to plan for the furture departure's of a number of senior players.

Grundy, goodes, lrt, Ted, ryan o,keef, shaw

That why we should still pick the best player in each round to fill any future departures needs.

Yes ruck has highest priority. But let hope not at the expensive of missing a gun player that falls though to pick 15.
If none then happy to pick up a ruck.

We don,t won't to miss any further stars, we can always get a older ruckman to fill the role in the pre session draft if we needed too.

Info on joel
The younger brother of Sydney Swans superstar Kurt Tippett enjoyed another stellar year for West Adelaide, reflected by his selection in the state side. His test results at the recent state combine were nothing short of sensational, producing the highest vertical leap, the second best time in the agility course and third in the 20m sprint and 30m repeat sprints. At 197cm and 96kg, Tippett is a super agile full-back who has matured greatly since departing Gold Coast in 2011.

Draft Next week we are going to have some of these question answered after the draft.
And any players we miss out on planing will continue to fill the gaps in any furture drafts.

Anything can happen and good players can fall down the order, we know the swans drafting will do there best to fill ruck and other positions as best they can.

We know the swans are going to pick best player in each round looking at clubs needs.

Let hope the swans first round pick is going to be a gun further star.

We won't take a ruck with the first pick, we never do, it will be a mid. Jobb will be gone by the time our second pick comes around. Tippett is a good prospect and has had a good year in the SANFL. I think we could take a risk on Conlon (198cm) as a ruck prospect to develop. Here is an article on him

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-16/drafts-man-of-mystery

[swans]

We won't take a ruck with the first pick, we never do, it will be a mid. Jobb will be gone by the time our second pick comes around. Tippett is a good prospect and has had a good year in the SANFL. I think we could take a risk on Conlon (198cm) as a ruck prospect to develop. Here is an article on him

Draft's man of mystery: Destined for the first round, but for one problem - AFL.com.au

Wolf.
Let hope the swans just get a older age ruckman in the pre session draft age around 24 to 27 to fill the ruck role in case pikey go down and look at best player in each round.

As you have pointed out we just need to find a older age ruckman like a jolly type than can fill the list for a few years we have done it many times before.

Has Geelong got another spare???
CAMERON Conlon also look like a great type.

He stands at an imposing 198cm, can leap like a flea off a wet dog, has a strong pair of hands, deft touch in the ruck, and is accurate in front of goal.

If we can get conlon then Reid can go back if required in games to fill the back roll when required.
This would add flexibility to the swans team going forward.

Problem solved. Nice one

[Ludwig]

There are 2 main issues to be addressed in this year's draft:

1. What type of ruckman should we take?
2. Where to pick a key defender, and how many should we go for?

If the concern is about not having someone who we know can step in a play senior level footy in case Pyke gets injured, the answer is simple: We should aim for Mark Seaby at pick 53; it's almost certain he will still be around. He's in the draft and he knows he's not going to a Perth team, since they are 1, 2 in AFL ruck divisions and clearly don't need him.

An oddity about this draft is the number of players with either the name Darcy or Cameron. I would take this as a sign and pick WA ruckman Darcy Cameron with pick 44 or 53, if available and we are not interested in Seaby. I think he's a better bet than Rory Lobb.

We have a bit of an opportunity to decide how to arrange picks 32 and 35 because the picks in between will be Brisbane's last 2 picks in draft and we should a reasonable idea as to what they might be looking for with those picks and play it accordingly. I will guess that Brissy will still be looking for a key defender, so we will need to use pick 32 for this. I'll assume Darcy Gardiner is already gone by pick 32, but hopefully either Daniel McStay or Cameron Giles are available. Jake Kolodjashnij is another one, but talk is that GC will take him at 27.

Jonathan March and Darcy Hourigan may also be available around these picks and although both have played primarily forward could play in other positions, Marsh on a wing or even in the midfield and Hourigan in defense. Both can bring some flexibility to the team by allowing Reid and Rowan to play back, if required. Mathew Sully is another option in defence, but we can wait until pick 44 for him.

A couple of players that we should take a hard look at if still available at pick 35, and definitely take at 44 are South Australian George Hewitt and Isaiah Miller. If 3 days older, Hewitt would be in next year's draft, so he's still only 17 on draft day. The kind of level he's already showing would indicate that he could very well be a top 10 pick in next year's draft if not for his age. The 2 Adelaide teams have no picks between 24 and 44 and I would think that PA would love to get him if still available at pick 45, so we might just be able to sneak in one pick before. Miller looks a good candidate for that Malceski replacement longer term. He has some speed, evasiveness and a long accurate kick; what more could you ask for.

It still looks as if either Blake Acres or Lewis Taylor will be available at pick 15. I'm sure GWS will be looking at both and perhaps this is the reason for the Rory Lobb story about both Sydney teams being interested in him. I feel GWS would certainly be interested at pick 29, so maybe we might be wanting to force their hand at pick 14, leaving the player we are 'really' looking for still available at our pick.

As for Scharenberg, if he slips to pick 15, then he's not fit enough to take a chance on. I don't know why we would take the risk when other teams will not. If he's healthy enough, he won't reach pick 15.

I may change my mind by Thursday, but as of now my ideal realistic draft is: Acres, Giles, Miller, Hewitt, Seaby.

[wolftone57]

Cameron Conlon was seen as a top 10 pick before he got injured Ludwig. I don't know why we would look at ruckmen with lower credentials even though we would be taking a risk due to his injury history. There are precedents though, Judd, Selwood and Mitchell & Hodge all had their injury issues before being drafted. All were drafted high as it turns out. But this bloke looks to be the pick of them if he can stay fit.

Draft's man of mystery: Destined for the first round, but for one problem - AFL.com.au

[MightyBloods]

I cant see the sense in drafting a young ruckman so early (in first 40 picks) in a National Draft. We can always use our future first or second round picks to land a mature and performing ruckman in future years. Look how the Hawks gained McEvoy and the Pies gained Jolly. Also there are the restricted and unrestricted free agents in coming years. I would prefer to draft young talent in positions other than ruck. The ruck players generally take way longer to develop.I can only think of 2 over the past years that landed on their feet quickly to impact games (Naitanui & Grundy). I would tend to use a late pick in the National draft or our first pick in the pre-season draft to gain a more mature ruckman as insurance for injury.

[wolftone57]

I cant see the sense in drafting a young ruckman so early (in first 40 picks) in a National Draft. We can always use our future first or second round picks to land a mature and performing ruckman in future years. Look how the Hawks gained McEvoy and the Pies gained Jolly. Also there are the restricted and unrestricted free agents in coming years. I would prefer to draft young talent in positions other than ruck. The ruck players generally take way longer to develop.I can only think of 2 over the past years that landed on their feet quickly to impact games (Naitanui & Grundy). I would tend to use a late pick in the National draft or our first pick in the pre-season draft to gain a more mature ruckman as insurance for injury.

Who? About the only one going is Seaby and we have tried him.

[707]

u can have 6 category A and 3 category B maximum. do the math on that

My maths say we will have just 38 players on the main list so can have 6 A and 3 Bs. Currently Biggs, Lloyd and X Richards are Cat A, Robinson, Naismith and Patrick Mitchell are Cat Bs.

So we can take up to three rookies if we want to but if Salary Cap $ are tight we may only take one, a mature age ruckman as Pyke back up? Our first pick in the Rookie Draft is 15.

Ressie watchers, do you think there is anyone who played for the ressies this year who is deserving of a rookie place?

[707]

and before you all go getting excited about what our new batch of draftees at picks 15, 32, 35, 44, 53 will do for us, here's a look at the last uncompromised draft back in 2009. All these players have had four seasons to show their wares. This is the top 20 and some other picks of interest to us.

1 Scully
2 Trengove
3 Martin
4 Morabito
5 Cunnington
6 Rohan
7 Shepherd
8 Butcher
9 Moore
10 Melksham
11 Gysberts
12 Lucas
13 Talia
14 Jetta
15 Howard
16 Pittard
17 Menzel
18 Tapscott
19 Griffiths
20 Fyfe
32 Winmar delisted
35 Astbury
38 Sam Reid
44 Dea
53 Norris

[SimonH]

Emma Quayle reliably knows what she's talking about (unlike an unfortunately large number of media commentators, she doesn't just make stuff up or talk out of her hat) and in her draft preview she links Sydney's first pick to Dumont, Jones, Merrett & Dunstan. All of whom I'd be perfectly happy with based on what I know about them (very little in the case of Jones & Merrett). At least, after what has been an off-season period with more than enough insanity, Emma Quayle doesn't associate us with the coals-to-Newcastle Apeness nor a back-up ruckman with our first pick. Both of which are options that would 100% confirm that the Swans recruiting department has lost the plot. In this particular draft it seems like all of the quality where we are picking, is in mid-sized players. We just need to hope that we pluck the Lewis Jetta equivalent (in terms of being a good mid-sized player taken in the teens of the draft, not the exact same style of player) and not the DOK (2006 pick 15) or Josh Willoughby (2003 pick 16) equivalent!

PS I can see no downside, only upside, in us picking up J Tippett, in circs where both (or all 3, if you include LRT) of our key defenders are closer to the end than the start of their careers. He's athletic, disciplined, ready to play, not injury-plagued, and quite simply difficult to kick goals on. The only knock on him is that he gets only a small amount of footy himself, but there are worse attributes in a defender. Someone else can do the rebounding. Based on his quality and the fact that key defenders who are ready to play on big power forwards don't come along every day, I'd be surprised if he makes it through to the RD and I'd take him at pick 53; but then again, I was somewhat surprised that no-one picked him up after he played a very good SANFL season in 2012, so who knows?

[Ludwig]

Emma Quayle reliably knows what she's talking about (unlike an unfortunately large number of media commentators, she doesn't just make stuff up or talk out of her hat) and in her draft preview she links Sydney's first pick to Dumont, Jones, Merrett & Dunstan. All of whom I'd be perfectly happy with based on what I know about them (very little in the case of Jones & Merrett). At least, after what has been an off-season period with more than enough insanity, Emma Quayle doesn't associate us with the coals-to-Newcastle Apeness nor a back-up ruckman with our first pick. Both of which are options that would 100% confirm that the Swans recruiting department has lost the plot. In this particular draft it seems like all of the quality where we are picking, is in mid-sized players. We just need to hope that we pluck the Lewis Jetta equivalent (in terms of being a good mid-sized player taken in the teens of the draft, not the exact same style of player) and not the DOK (2006 pick 15) or Josh Willoughby (2003 pick 16) equivalent!

PS I can see no downside, only upside, in us picking up J Tippett, in circs where both (or all 3, if you include LRT) of our key defenders are closer to the end than the start of their careers. He's athletic, disciplined, ready to play, not injury-plagued, and quite simply difficult to kick goals on. The only knock on him is that he gets only a small amount of footy himself, but there are worse attributes in a defender. Someone else can do the rebounding. Based on his quality and the fact that key defenders who are ready to play on big power forwards don't come along every day, I'd be surprised if he makes it through to the RD and I'd take him at pick 53; but then again, I was somewhat surprised that no-one picked him up after he played a very good SANFL season in 2012, so who knows?

I usually agree with Emma Quayle's analysis, but not this time. I think she has seriously underestimated our inside midfield strength. I don't know why she would link us with those kind of midfielders either when better ones are likely to be available at pick 15. We've already picked up a quality midfield prospect in Lloyd Perris as well. I like Dumont, but I think Acres is a similar type of player with more upside and versatility. Merrett seems a good prospect, but not at pick 15 when better options are available. Would prefer Taylor, who is a bit more dynamic.

If we don't save pick 53 for a ruckman, Joel seems a reasonable selection. But it also depends on if we pick up a key defender on an earlier pick.

[liz]

EQ's list isn't a phantom draft. It's her ranking of players. So Sydney's specific needs are irrelevant to the player she has listed in 15th spot. She's not trying to predict who'll we'll draft.

[Auntie.Gerald]

is he ready and if so what pick ?

Draft prodigy seeks redemption - AFL.com.au

[SimonH]

EQ's list isn't a phantom draft. It's her ranking of players. So Sydney's specific needs are irrelevant to the player she has listed in 15th spot. She's not trying to predict who'll we'll draft.

My list of 4 players wasn't based on who was near #15 in her list. It was based on the (only) 4 players that she stated are linked with Sydney.

[wolftone57]

My list of 4 players wasn't based on who was near #15 in her list. It was based on the (only) 4 players that she stated are linked with Sydney.

I'd be very disappointed if they are the ones we pick. Every one of them has questions about speed and spread. Ony one is elite by foot and I'd want the number 15 pick to be elite on both feet, fast and able to find the ball in a bull dust storm. these picks would be ok for the later picks but still prefer others. It seems Emma has us going for all mids. But this is the woman who put Swampy Marsh in as a backman and couldn't get the players positions right even though she is supposed to know the Swans REALLY well.

I would prefer it if we picked up at least one KD in the draft. All the players she has picked are basically inside mids, one or two can spread but they are basically inside players with not much speed. I think we have to vary our picks tro suit our needs. If we are going for mids we need to look at one inside mid and an very quick outside mid or two outside mids who are pretty quick. We have plenty of inside mids at the club; Mitch, Joey, Lukie, Lloydie, Peris, Birdie, ROK & Kizza. While some of those can also play outside too there are several outside mids that can go in and under Hannas for a start, Deano (when playing mid), Robbo & Swampy.

I hope we don't do as Emma suggests and go for all the same type of player. I think the days of the so called Swans TYPE MID is over and is crap now. We have moved on and with the likes of Jetts, Hannas etc have a very different philosophy.