Carlton looking to sign Tom Mitchell

[ShockOfHair]

A rubbish article. Simple as that.

Tom is signed until 2016.

He has been injured for the majority of the season. That is why he hasn't been playing.

The Swans will NOT consider trading him.

His manager and his dad both seem pretty happy with his current arrangements.

Facts shmacts.

[Swansongster]

Watch the speculation heat up now that he's been ruled out of the reserves this week

Injury again? Or travelling to Melbourne?

[Meg]

Carlton looking to sign Tom Mitchell

Injury.

"Young midfielder Tom Mitchell will also be unavailable for selection this week after failing to pull up from a knee injury suffered a fortnight ago.

Cameron said Mitchell, who suffered a heavy knock during a training session, would require another week on the sidelines.

?Tom landed heavily on his knee two weeks ago and he?s still not able to run comfortably,? he said."

?We think he?s going to be at least another week.?

[ernie koala]

The fact he would of played, at most, maybe 2 or 3 more games of seniors footy, for a team like StKilda, than he has for the Swans this season, leaves this storey without legs.

[tasmania60]

Footy department on the pic up just recruited a crow eater , some thing clicked down there ?

[sharp9]

You?re entitled to your opinion Doctor J, but please don?t edit my post and pass it of as my work.

This is my rational for the trade:

- If Nick Malceski wants to go Melbourne under free agency we get a pick 40 (not a strong deal). The Swans have a very weak hand with Malceski. This situation is like an out of contract player heading for the pre-season draft.

-Tom Mitchell is not worth a top 10 pick alone under a trade. He is three years years into his AFL career and has strung together 18 games, which some have been very good. He has spent the majority of those three years on the physio table. There are many GWS Giants from his intake that are ahead of him (Dylan Shiel) and some of the young midfielders from the Gold Coast, The Western Bulldogs, and Melbourne (Tyson, Viney) that are well ahead of him. He is very good in and under player, but does not have a lot of speed and is not elite above his head or with his foot skills. I think he is worth pick 12-20 on a direct trade. Not top 10. He is also ranked behind Kennedy, K.Jack, Hannerery, McVeigh, Parker, Bird and Jetta on the Swans midfield depth chart.

-The Demons will have a pick 5 to play with. They would prefer to get Malceski via a trade so that they don?t effect Frawleys free trade compensation.

-The deal would essentially be Mitchell and Malceski, but I think Roos will go for Perris as a late sweetener.

We get pick 5.

Melbourne get
Malceski (2-3 years of good senior Football remaining).

Mitchell (Potential 10 years of good senior football as an inside if he can get his body right, but not in the elite categoary of young midfeilders like Luke Parker).

Perris (Speculative rookie, who will miss the 2015 preseason and early season recovering from an ACL).

I've rarely read such utter nonsense. The Demons would trade pick 5 for Mitchell in a heart beat. So there (pokes out tongue). On top of that all clubs would trade a teen pick for Perris in a heartbeat...he was an All Australian under 18 as well as being AIS player of the year 2 years running!!!! To suggest that Perris is a "Speculative Rookie" is so ridiculous that really you should be banned for being too ill-informed to post at all...or be banned for saying stupid things deliberately just to get a rise out of the real posters on here.

If Malceski is an All Australian (almost certainly) who gets a 3 year deal at $600,00-750,000 then we would easily get a 1st round draft pick as compensation.

[Matt80]

I've rarely read such utter nonsense. The Demons would trade pick 5 for Mitchell in a heart beat. So there (pokes out tongue). On top of that all clubs would trade a teen pick for Perris in a heartbeat...he was an All Australian under 18 as well as being AIS player of the year 2 years running!!!! To suggest that Perris is a "Speculative Rookie" is so ridiculous that really you should be banned for being too ill-informed to post at all...or be banned for saying stupid things deliberately just to get a rise out of the real posters on here.

If Malceski is an All Australian (almost certainly) who gets a 3 year deal at $600,00-750,000 then we would easily get a 1st round draft pick as compensation.

I stand by what I say Sharp9. I?m expressing an opinion.

Your reaction to me is telling me that I?m on to something and you fear the market reality.

This deal can only happen if Mitchell and Malceski want to leave, and this assumption is not 100% certain.

Mitchell is not a top 5 trade option. Jack Macre and Marcus Bontempelli from the Bulldogs are top five draft trade options and they are both significantly ahead of Mitchell. Mitchell is also injury inflicted and that lowers his trade value. If another club recruited him you would not be sure that he would be able to give you 22 games a season. You can only judge him on his first three injury interrupted seasons. I rate him as being valued between pick 12-20

If Nick Malceski exercises free agency, our hand is very weak. As much as people love Nick, I doubt he would make $600,000-$750,000 a year for three years. Under Free agency we may only get pick 40 for Nick. It would be better for the Swans if we could exercise a trade with another player or draft picks to get better a better overall deal. The Demons are looking to exercise maximum compensation for Frawley and may be open to this option.

Lloyd Perris is highly regarded at the Swans, but he would not attract a teen pick in a trade situation from other clubs because:
- He is dealing with his second ACL
- He is a rookie listed player who has yet to be upgraded
- The Swans deemed Jake Lloyd to be a rookie ahead of him who received the upgrade.

Here is the deal:

You can have pick 12-20 (Mitchell) or pick 40 (Malceski) or you can bundle them both up to the Demons for pick 5.

Lloyd Perris is the little toping on the cake that Roos would push for. Coming off an ACL and yet to debut his prospects must be deemed uncertain.

Pick 5 would allow us to get another very good young player who we could partner with Heeney and Davis (assuming no change to academy rules) in late 2014. We can then put them together with Mills and Dunkley in late 2015, and start building our next Dynasty.

Pick 5 is also better than 12 and 40 because we need to use some late draft picks to upgrade some excellent rookies such as Lloyd and potentially Biggs, Robinson and Naismith. This limits our options in a live draft.

[Dosser]

Footy department on the pic up just recruited a crow eater , some thing clicked down there ?

Thanks tassie, I always enjoy your enigmatic posts

[Conor_Dillon]

I agree completely on Mitchell being worth a top 10 pick...Melbourne or Carlton would give us their first pick at the drop of a hat to acquire his services.

Your point on injuries is valid...but they haven't really been overly serious or chronic...it's more a series of bad luck rather than a pattern of things to come.

Bontempelli is one out of the box and it's hard to draw a comparison however Macrae and Mitchell are in the same category...the numbers from their better games are very similar.

Even though he hasn't played many games and his foot speed isn't the best, his inside work and touch below his knees are absolutely elite. This is arguably the rarest trait in young footballers these days and is highly sought after.

In his first 5 games of AFL football Mitchell averaged the highest number of Supercoach points per-minute of any player in the entire league. I know these figures aren't the be all and end all but it's hard to argue against just how impressive that is.

This year's crop of potential elite mids for the draft is reasonably thin outside of Petracca, Brayshaw and Heeney. This is another reason why a club will be willing to pay top-price for Tom.

[Dosser]

I think Mitchell is similar to Kennedy in a few ways in which he plays (ok, now I think about it, he doesnt have the overhead marking of Josh) and I wouldnt be surprised if one day he goes because he wants more of an opportunity - ala Kennedy. If he ever goes, then we will go through the same angst that Hawks supporters did and it will probably come back to bite us. Having said that, it has been pointed out that he is contracted for another 2 seasons, so this thread should probably be closed until then.

[CureTheSane]

For me Mitchell is a second rounder or a part of a 'bigger picture' trade.
He has huge potential, but suffers from injuries. I see him as being one who everyone is up in arms about because we aren't being offered a first round pick for him.
ie: As passionate supporters our views can be well warped.

Having said that, talk of a trade is kind of irrelevant right now...

[Plugger46]

For me Mitchell is a second rounder or a part of a 'bigger picture' trade.
He has huge potential, but suffers from injuries. I see him as being one who everyone is up in arms about because we aren't being offered a first round pick for him.
ie: As passionate supporters our views can be well warped.

Having said that, talk of a trade is kind of irrelevant right now...

I personally think you're grossly underselling his ability and the reputation he has got.

Supporters can definitely get carried away with their own players. I don't think that is the case here though.

Agree that it's irrelevant at the moment.

[Wazza]

If we are paying Mitchell $400,000 a trade may be a good idea, he may have ongoing injury issues, we currently have some good young options coming through. Trade him for what we will need - possibly key defender or replace malcesk or high draft pick. Opportunities to trade for high picks or a required player dont happen often and IMHO Swans should take advantage of the situation. Dont get me wrong I rate mitchell but IMHO he will be injury prone and I feel we have a couple of young options coming through that we wouldnt really miss him, as we havent to date and given he may be on $400k would ease the salary cap. I think Mal may go and given free agency I wouldnt blame him - probably has 3 years left and could land a very lucrative contract to finish up on.

Cheers waz

[CureTheSane]

I personally think you're grossly underselling his ability and the reputation he has got.

Supporters can definitely get carried away with their own players. I don't think that is the case here though.

Agree that it's irrelevant at the moment.

Possibly.
I have been guilty of overvaluing players before.
Having said that, I doubt that many would expect ROK to have no real suitors when he was looking to move.One could ask what value AJ would carry at the moment. When he's right he's a gun, but....

[Melbournehammer]

I personally think you're grossly underselling his ability and the reputation he has got.

Supporters can definitely get carried away with their own players. I don't think that is the case here though.

Agree that it's irrelevant at the moment.

I've already expressed my view that I don't think he is a top five pick. But the only way of making sure that you get value is if you have clubs bid against each other for a player's services - otherwise you have a tippett/lake scenario where the player specifies the terms of their contract and no-one else matches it.

If you don't get the rival clubs bidding against each other instead of over the wages to be paid to the player that the value slides pretty damn quick.