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  • Bloody Hell
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2006
    • 3085

    The sub selection will be interesting.

    With Laidler dropped you would have to assume that Shaw will be a starter despite his layoff. The only other person with dicey form is Cunningham ATM, but if he was made sub I'm not sure who would play that half forward role, unless they went with a setup like last year with Bird playing a defensive forward role.

    Listening to Bomber Thompson on 360, he speaks about the importance of the HBF and recently they have been playing more of their guns back there. I suspect there will be a bit of responsibility given to the HHF this week.

    I really like Lloyd, but he has look tired at times recently - he's a good starter though - I'd prefer to see him on the ground for the bounce.
    The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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    • dimelb
      pr. dim-melb; m not f
      • Jun 2003
      • 6889

      I think Wayne Carey is one of our more thoughtful footy commentators, and I'd be sure that Horse (happy birthday, by the way!) is well and truly covering the same ground. He has a point, as several posters here have pointed out:

      The problem with superstars - Sydney still has the L-plates on
      He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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      • Go Swannies
        Veterans List
        • Sep 2003
        • 5697

        Originally posted by dimelb
        I think Wayne Carey is one of our more thoughtful footy commentators, and I'd be sure that Horse (happy birthday, by the way!) is well and truly covering the same ground. He has a point, as several posters here have pointed out:

        The problem with superstars - Sydney still has the L-plates on
        Good piece by Carey. Like you I've been surprised by his insights. I don't think he's right here, though. I think last week's fail was partly getting our forwards functioning together again after a long time apart. And, as I've said elsewhere, I think we didn't play the game we plan to play against the Hawks in finals.

        However, if we lose tonight then it wasn't tactical and Carey is correct.

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        • DK_
          On the Rookie List
          • Jun 2013
          • 454

          Originally posted by Bloody Hell
          The sub selection will be interesting.

          With Laidler dropped you would have to assume that Shaw will be a starter despite his layoff. The only other person with dicey form is Cunningham ATM, but if he was made sub I'm not sure who would play that half forward role, unless they went with a setup like last year with Bird playing a defensive forward role.

          Listening to Bomber Thompson on 360, he speaks about the importance of the HBF and recently they have been playing more of their guns back there. I suspect there will be a bit of responsibility given to the HHF this week.

          I really like Lloyd, but he has look tired at times recently - he's a good starter though - I'd prefer to see him on the ground for the bounce.
          My money's on Lloyd as sub - Horse rarely plays the same sub twice and Towers will play that quick defensive forward role. Cunningham's played tagging roles a lot this year and may get another gig shutting down Heppell or similar.

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          • DK_
            On the Rookie List
            • Jun 2013
            • 454

            Originally posted by dimelb
            I think Wayne Carey is one of our more thoughtful footy commentators, and I'd be sure that Horse (happy birthday, by the way!) is well and truly covering the same ground. He has a point, as several posters here have pointed out:

            The problem with superstars - Sydney still has the L-plates on
            Good piece. I've got a theory that one of the big events that led to the 2012 flag was Goodes' injury (back when he was the heart, soul and backbone of the team), which forced the rest of the team to make do without him.

            Still, there's something funny about Wayne Cary accusing a team coached by Horse of being too focused on key forwards.

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            • ShockOfHair
              One Man Out
              • Dec 2007
              • 3668

              Yes, I guess Duck knows whereof he speaks. He had a whole paddock to work with.

              I get what he's saying about the Swans, but it's because our players have worked themselves into becoming 'stars' - rejects like Kennedy adn McGlynn and rookies like Jack and Smith - more than those two recruits.

              But it's gilding the lily a bit to say the Hawks have no stars. Hodge, Bruest, Roughie, Mitchell, Lewis, Gibson, plus Lake and Rioli who'll be playing in the finals. A lot of star material there.

              Anyway, I like how the season storyline is turning towards a Hawthorn premiership, or even Geelong. Let them wear the pressure as frontrunners.
              The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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              • liz
                Veteran
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 16786

                It sounds like the typical AFL commentary that defines trends based on the most recent game. While I don't think we're as even a team as we were in 2012 (partly because we have 2-3 players who I think perceive themselves as the 20th-22nd players in the team), no-one accused the team of relying on too few when we were beating up on Geelong. Or edging ahead of Freo. Or even when we beat the Hawks at the SCG earlier this year.

                There were a few players down on their best last week but that doesn't suddenly make the team over dependent on superstars.

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                • Mel_C
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 4470

                  The swans bombers game from earlier in the year is on foxtel at the moment. I'd forgotten how much the essendon supporters booed at that game.

                  Lucky the game isn't in Melbourne tonight. The weather is terrible...so glad to be inside!

                  PS. Bruce's commentary is annoying even when it is a replay.

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                  • Swansongster
                    Senior Player
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1264

                    Originally posted by ShockOfHair
                    Yes, I guess Duck knows whereof he speaks. He had a whole paddock to work with.

                    I get what he's saying about the Swans, but it's because our players have worked themselves into becoming 'stars' - rejects like Kennedy adn McGlynn and rookies like Jack and Smith - more than those two recruits.

                    But it's gilding the lily a bit to say the Hawks have no stars. Hodge, Bruest, Roughie, Mitchell, Lewis, Gibson, plus Lake and Rioli who'll be playing in the finals. A lot of star material there.

                    Anyway, I like how the season storyline is turning towards a Hawthorn premiership, or even Geelong. Let them wear the pressure as frontrunners.
                    Agreed. Nothing we do from here can prise the Melbourne media off Hawthorn as their desired home-grown champs. They will not be nearly as gnarly on us as they would have been had we entered September with 18 consecutive wins under the belt. We are not exactly flying under the radar again but we are not the largest blip on the screen any more.

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                    • Plugger46
                      Senior Player
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 3674

                      360 were doing something similar the other night. You'd think we'd been beaten by 6 goals. We had a number of midfielders down, yet we led by nearly 4 goals at one stage and could've pinched it late in the game.

                      Major overreaction to one game of footy which could've gone either way. Nature of the footy media, I guess.
                      Bloods

                      "Lockett is the best of all time" - Robert Harvey, Darrel Baldock, Nathan Burke, Kevin Bartlett, Bob Skilton

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                      • SimonH
                        Salt future's rising
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 1647

                        It's not about the one 'bad' game (not that we were all that bad, in truth). For a flag contender it's all about how you bounce back next week.

                        Granted, Freo were much, much, much worse than us in their loss last weekend?but apart from the W:L column, that wouldn't matter a bit to their chances if they bounced back, flogged Carlton, put in a very Ross-Lyon-like performance and St Kilda could all be written off as a momentary aberration. However, the game that they played last night, they looked shot?flat, lacking confidence, lacking intense pressure on the ball carrier and as the commentators said on more than one occasion, 'un-Fremantle-like'. They've got actual problems, not just 'problems' in the memory-loss world of week-by-week headlines.

                        So what was the true significance of the Hawthorn game to our season? We'll know by 10:40pm tonight.

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                        • Blue Sun
                          Senior Player
                          • May 2010
                          • 1440

                          The game last weekend was an excellent match, it was the best live game I've seen in a very long time. Both the Hawks and Swans had their opportunities and played extremely well in patches. Perhaps if those 2 goal square incidents (Hill caught with the ball and later Goodes' mark) went the other way, we may have won.

                          In any case, I am confident that we can (and will) beat the Hawks in the GF with Hanners back in the side. He is the barometer for the Swans, when he is playing well, we are the best team in the competition. I am probably getting ahead of myself by saying that, but it is my honest opinion.

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                          • mcs
                            Travelling Swannie!!
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 8177

                            Originally posted by Go Swannies
                            Good piece by Carey. Like you I've been surprised by his insights. I don't think he's right here, though. I think last week's fail was partly getting our forwards functioning together again after a long time apart. And, as I've said elsewhere, I think we didn't play the game we plan to play against the Hawks in finals.

                            However, if we lose tonight then it wasn't tactical and Carey is correct.
                            I thought our forwards did alright last week, apart from wasting some very kickable chances. Our problem was in the engine room of the midfield - where at the key junctures of the game, we got hammered.
                            "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                            • Melbournehammer
                              Senior Player
                              • May 2007
                              • 1815

                              Originally posted by mcs
                              I thought our forwards did alright last week, apart from wasting some very kickable chances. Our problem was in the engine room of the midfield - where at the key junctures of the game, we got hammered.
                              couldnt agree more. when we got the ball forward we looked like kicking goals. we just didnt get it forward enough and we didnt hold it in enough when we got it there. we also got exposed shockingly on the way out on the fat side a few times and from really deep in our forward line - it was like once they broke our defensive lines there was nothing behind to mop up. we heading to fall of the ball but didnt get there fast enough to impact that and then didnt get back out again fast enough when they won it.

                              but enough of last week. starting to get butterflies for tonight. thats not good.

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                              • grarmy
                                Warming the Bench
                                • Aug 2010
                                • 406

                                Originally posted by liz
                                Must have been. Couldn't be listed as an emergency otherwise. Unless this is a typo for Nankervis.
                                Liz, Meg, you guys should be working for the Swans/AFL. Well thought through. Great call.
                                "Play like you can’t lose."

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