2015 academy discussion thread (with some FS thrown in for good measure)

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  • Ludwig
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2007
    • 9359

    Originally posted by Meg
    Strong defence of the academies near the end of this article (originally from Courier Mail). Including the statement that: "Brisbane lost four players from their academy in the past 12 months to their original sports, two to basketball, the others to scholarships at the Reds and the Cowboys."

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    Wow! There was some pretty strong language after the EM photo. It's good to see the northern clubs are fighting back. I was hoping that the soft stand taken on the trading ban would be offset by some fierce resistance to undercutting the academies. There are some indications that it might.

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    • dimelb
      pr. dim-melb; m not f
      • Jun 2003
      • 6889

      It's notable that it's the journo delivering the message. I imagine he has listened closely to the clubs' management but they are his words, not quotations from others (who may well fear reprisal).

      Interesting to see the comments following: two dopes who want them all back in Victoria and a realist who thinks Melbourne has too many teams. Guess which ones Eddie is aiming at.
      He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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      • Doctor
        Bay 29
        • Sep 2003
        • 2757

        Originally posted by liz
        Yeah, it is players like this who weaken the argument for the academies - that the provide development opportunities that wouldn't otherwise be available to a player. If someone is boarding in Victoria, this can't be said of them. It is strange that there is a residency qualification for the period a player must be resident in a club's academy zone (which prevented GC taking Weller last draft) yet players can move interstate for school (and football development). There is an inconsistency there.
        GWS were given the ACT and Riverina as part of their zone, as I'm sure many of you know. It certainly appeared to be a way of ensuring that they'd continue to get first crack at some quality young players. If the lad was from Liverpool rather than Leeton it might be a different argument.
        Today's a draft of your epitaph

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        • The Big Cat
          On the veteran's list
          • Apr 2006
          • 2356

          Originally posted by Ludwig
          Wow! There was some pretty strong language after the EM photo. It's good to see the northern clubs are fighting back. I was hoping that the soft stand taken on the trading ban would be offset by some fierce resistance to undercutting the academies. There are some indications that it might.
          The other three northern clubs couldn't give a dead rat's clacker about the trading ban. It's a totally Swans' issue. I can't see any evidence of "fierce resistance to undercutting the academies" coming from anywhere other than the Lions!
          Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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          • rojo
            Opti-pessi-misti
            • Mar 2009
            • 1103

            Originally posted by Meg
            Strong defence of the academies near the end of this article (originally from Courier Mail). Including the statement that: "Brisbane lost four players from their academy in the past 12 months to their original sports, two to basketball, the others to scholarships at the Reds and the Cowboys."

            No Cookies | Herald Sun
            The punchline was interesting too; 'It was because the rules meant the Lions could not guarantee they would draft them.' This illustrates a further hurdle to enticing players to AFL in the northern states that even the Academies have to live with. Facts are that no player is guaranteed of being drafted to any team, however for an elite young Queenslander choosing between codes, the thought of ending up in WA or SA might be just enough to tip the scales v choosing AFL. While having to move interstate to play is part of AFL 'culture' I suspect it is not the same with the other codes.

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            • S.S. Bleeder
              Senior Player
              • Sep 2014
              • 2165

              Great article. And the image of that Cheshire Cat (I have better terms for him) sums it up perfectly. Why don't we see articles like this coming out of Sydney? Let's hope those four players who left AFL do well in their new careers and we can point the finger at Fat Eddie and the AFL.
              Last edited by S.S. Bleeder; 17 February 2015, 08:37 PM.

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              • S.S. Bleeder
                Senior Player
                • Sep 2014
                • 2165

                Originally posted by The Big Cat
                The other three northern clubs couldn't give a dead rat's clacker about the trading ban. It's a totally Swans' issue. I can't see any evidence of "fierce resistance to undercutting the academies" coming from anywhere other than the Lions!
                +1

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                • Meg
                  Go Swannies!
                  Site Admin
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 4828

                  2015 academy discussion thread

                  Originally posted by S.S. Bleeder
                  Great article. Let's hope those four players who left AFL do well in their new careers and we can point the finger at Fat Eddie and the AFL.
                  We are lucky we kept Heeney away from the temptations of other sports (or perhaps I should say the Swans managed Heeney very professionally). Did you read what his father said about Isaac's talents? My jaw dropped!!

                  "In his soccer he scored 68 goals in 12 games, when they were really young. But then he picked up a cricket bat and played an age above himself in division one up here in Newcastle and his batting average was 216.
                  "He also played rugby league for the school in a couple of carnivals and they went to Sydney and won some tournament down there with the school and he scored five tries in the final."

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                  • S.S. Bleeder
                    Senior Player
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 2165

                    Originally posted by Meg
                    We are lucky we kept Heeney away from the temptations of other sports (or perhaps I should say the Swans managed Heeney very professionally). Did you read what his father said about Isaac's talents? My jaw dropped!!

                    "In his soccer he scored 68 goals in 12 games, when they were really young. But then he picked up a cricket bat and played an age above himself in division one up here in Newcastle and his batting average was 216.
                    "He also played rugby league for the school in a couple of carnivals and they went to Sydney and won some tournament down there with the school and he scored five tries in the final."
                    Yes I read that. Pretty impressive.

                    This kid could have gone to any sport he chose and would have most likely been a success. Yet, our academy (and the Swans themselves) were able to sell the benefits of AFL better than any of the other codes or cricket.

                    If our sport is to compete against the other codes (I see soccer as our biggest threat at the moment given their recent success and the way in which they are promoting their code), we must not only retain the academies but expand them. If we don't we might as well revert back to the old VFL days and be satisfied with being a minor code.

                    BTW, David Gallop would have done a great job running the AFL. He was the man we really needed instead of an insider who got the job on a promise and in return for favours.

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                    • Meg
                      Go Swannies!
                      Site Admin
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 4828

                      2015 academy discussion thread

                      According to this article, club submissions re the proposed bidding system went to the AFL yesterday. Sounds as if the Swans put appropriate emphasis on the broader objectives of the academies with Tom Harley quoted:
                      ?Some (academy) players are going to end up talented players on AFL lists and some aren?t. They are going to be participants in the game and have a greater chance to become lifelong supporters.?
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                      • liz
                        Veteran
                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16778

                        How the northern football academies work - AFL.com.au

                        This is a really information piece from the AFL website, describing how the four academies work in practice, and comparing them in scope.

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                        • Meg
                          Go Swannies!
                          Site Admin
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 4828

                          Useful article to keep bookmarked for reference.
                          I'm afraid this quote from the Swans might get used against us - I know what he meant but out of context ....
                          "Success will be determined when we have players we've groomed playing against us."

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                          • Meg
                            Go Swannies!
                            Site Admin
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 4828

                            And if this article has an accurate insight into the clubs' submissions on the proposed bidding system, it seems as if virtually every diverse opinion you can think of has been presented. How the AFL picks through that ......
                            Clubs keen on live bidding for father-son and academy picks - AFL.com.au

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                            • Industrial Fan
                              Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 3318

                              The bidding system for picks is totally out of whack if the academies are being run and funded by the clubs. Why should we need to match another clubs pick with multiple picks if we've fostered the kids interest in the game and kept them within the code.

                              If the AFL funded and ran the academies in conjunction with the relevant clubs coaching systems then by all means, provide an opportunity to lock down the superstar coming through with additional picks with the basis of that being that you can tell the local kids they can stay local.

                              That would be a win - win system. The AFL gets a bigger draft pool, and the academy club still pays the "market rate" for the superstar coming through.

                              If we have two clubs in Sydney and two in Brisbane as well as 10 in Melbourne, then you needs more kids in the system simple as that.
                              He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                              • Meg
                                Go Swannies!
                                Site Admin
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 4828

                                Western Bulldogs president Peter Gordon's views:
                                www.smh.com.au - Academies must benefit all clubs, say Bulldogs

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