Round 13: Sydney v Richmond

[Nico]

The Tippett one is a hard call. There have been plenty of incidents with forearms to the head late in marking contests that have gone without penalty or just a fine.

I somehow feel that we will play better without both Tippett and Buddy because everyone else will know that they have to be at the top of their game to win and I believe they will rise to the occasion, i.e. unless Longmire decides to concede the game by playing Tom Derickx, for which a fog of hopelessness will descend over the team.

It will also force the team to find a plan B game with other stoppage setups as well as other forward options. It will hard to bomb the ball into the forward line without anyone to bomb it to. In the long run it should be a benefit to our game.

Not a fan Of Tom? Maybe he can take Cunningham's hand and walk together to their reserves game next week

[crackedactor]

Jones free kick was very harsh as it was just a good spoil that happen at least 20 other times that night without any paid free kick, but what really got me was the 50 meters penalty for monstrous behavior?? No one gets a 50m penalty for behavior, just a warning, even if the guy says F... You ump!!

[liz]

Jones free kick was very harsh as it was just a good spoil that happen at least 20 other times that night without any paid free kick, but what really got me was the 50 meters penalty for monstrous behavior?? No one gets a 50m penalty for behavior, just a warning, even if the guy says F... You ump!!

That's not true. Fifty metre penalties are generally awarded for being abusive towards the umpire. Sometimes even for just politely questioning a decision. Hell, Bazza used to have fifty metre penalties awarded against him just for giving the umpire a glare. So while the original free might have been harsh, the ensuing penalty wasn't really. It was just undisciplined to give it away.

On the subject of fifty metre penalties though, does anyone else think it's a bit out of whack that you can give one away for putting a toenail over the mark, or even for running through the protected area behind a player (while not interfering with his ability to kick), yet if you give away a free kick and then lie on the player who has earned the free, and refuse to let him up for as long as a minute or so, a fifty is practically never paid? There was one obvious instance of it in yesterday's game (Parker, I think but could have been Jack) but this isn't specific to that instance. It happens at least once in almost every game and yet the penalty is never awarded.

[Industrial Fan]

The D-Rex caused a lot of problems insofar as he is @@@@. I am sure they wanted to move Tippett to FF but we also needed him in the ruck.

Franklin could have been moved out of FF and Reid in but Tippett was the man for the job, we just couldn't afford to leave him there.

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That's not true. Fifty metre penalties are generally awarded for being abusive towards the umpire. Sometimes even for just politely questioning a decision. Hell, Bazza used to have fifty metre penalties awarded against him just for giving the umpire a glare. So while the original free might have been harsh, the ensuing penalty wasn't really. It was just undisciplined to give it away.

On the subject of fifty metre penalties though, does anyone else think it's a bit out of whack that you can give one away for putting a toenail over the mark, or even for running through the protected area behind a player (while not interfering with his ability to kick), yet if you give away a free kick and then lie on the player who has earned the free, and refuse to let him up for as long as a minute or so, a fifty is practically never paid? There was one obvious instance of it in yesterday's game (Parker, I think but could have been Jack) but this isn't specific to that instance. It happens at least once in almost every game and yet the penalty is never awarded.

i think you mean Rampe in the 4th? Was a textbook 50, but the umps said that Rampe was holding onto the Richmond player so didn't pay it.

[liz]

Could have been Rampe. It was either the 2nd or the 4th quarter because we were kicking to the Paddington end. And it was on the O'Reilly wing, on the defensive side of the centre line.

[Ludwig]

The D-Rex caused a lot of problems insofar as he is @@@@. I am sure they wanted to move Tippett to FF but we also needed him in the ruck.

Franklin could have been moved out of FF and Reid in but Tippett was the man for the job, we just couldn't afford to leave him there.

Absolutely right! Some people think I'm a bit harsh on Drex. I've got nothing against him. It is Longmire for picking him when he should know that he can't play.

As you said, Drex threw our entire game plan out of whack. I am sure it was not the intention that Tippett and Reid put so much time at the stoppages, but we had to because we were getting smashed. Pre game planning must have considered that Rance plays Buddy well and that we would look to Tippett to get the size mismatch on Chaplin. Goodes and Rohan v. Bachelor and Grimes was favourable as well.

Richmond had 3 very tall forwards, 2 of them around 2 mtrs and Riewoldt around 195 with a great leaping mark and in a good vein of form. I wouldn't think the plan was to leave Laidler on either Griffiths or Vickery. Someone must have been planned to play loose in defence to help Ted out on Riewoldt. But instead Reid spent a lot of time at stoppages while Drex floated around doing nothing. He didn't even need to be defended and he didn't do much defending himself.

I don't know why Mitchell was down for the game, but it certainly didn't help. Unless he was injured we should have subbed off Drex, who btw spent an incredible 91% TOG doing nothing. It's hard to win a game of footy playing one man down all game. Eventually they worked it out and got on top in the second half.

[Meg]

Could have been Rampe. It was either the 2nd or the 4th quarter because we were kicking to the Paddington end. And it was on the O'Reilly wing, on the defensive side of the centre line.

Yes it was Rampe. It was the most bizarre non-50 metre penalty I've ever seen not paid (sorry about the double negative but you know what I mean).

[tasmania60]

Bloody disgraceful no flag this year,another brain fade .Why haven't we a leader on the field who can motivate . Looked like they needed someone to tell them home truths on the ground / Parker needs to be put in the position next year !

[Mug Punter]

Bloody disgraceful no flag this year,another brain fade .Why haven't we a leader on the field who can motivate . Looked like they needed someone to tell them home truths on the ground / Parker needs to be put in the position next year !

+100

Just love the way he plays his footy and we need a hard nut as captain.

McVeigh has been a great servant to the club but I fear he and Jack's powers are waning. Sooner we get the next generation through the better

[gossipcom]

Gotta say (in a non-Swans report note) it will be interesting if Richmond get fined for what happened in front of where I was sitting last night (between Tigers and AFL Officials benches). First we had a Richmond trainer swearing at a Swans fan (after being incited) and then Hardwick swore at the AFL officials at 3/4 time. Normally I wouldn't raise an issue like this but when you've got little kids around attending the game the last thing you want to hear is that kind of language coming out of the mouths of team members regardless who you support.

Now that I've gotten that off my chest, we played poor after half-time and the Tigers deserved to win since they upped the intensity - they basically did what Roos tried to do against us in the last game but couldn't when the intensity went up.

Agree that I see Parker or Hanners coming in as potential captains in the future.

I'm not going to single out any players because we were poor across the ground, but it will be interesting to see the team we field against PA considering potential suspensions and the fact that the Reserves played poorly too this week.

[goswannies]

The D-Rex caused a lot of problems insofar as he is @@@@. I am sure they wanted to move Tippett to FF but we also needed him in the ruck.

Franklin could have been moved out of FF and Reid in but Tippett was the man for the job, we just couldn't afford to leave him there.

At 198cm (taller than Reid) why couldn't Buddy go into the ruck if his otherwise contribution as a forward after half time was 1 handball. Leave Tipptt at FF, Reid to CHF, Derickx gets the red vest, Mitchell stays in the middle?

[troyjones2525]

Whilst I agree that Cunningham may not be the hardest player in the team, people need to understand that they can't all be contested beasts like Kennedy and Parker etc. He is in the team for his pace to play on an opposition speedster or creative half back and he did a decent job on Houli for the most part although like most he had a better first half the second. One thing that he does do well that a lot of others don't is kick the ball well and mostly to advantage or a target! Yes, I would like to see his tackles up more but I think the thing that we lack more than tackling is pure kicking skills and he is one of few that consistently hits a target over 20 meters or more! Our disposal forward is woeful with quality inside players like Kennedy, Mitchell and sometimes even Hanners consistently butchering the ball and putting it to advantage of the opposition! I usually rest easier when I see Jetts or Cunningham with ball in hand running forward and I'd imagine Buddy and Tippo probably would agree with me!

[Bloodthirsty]

To be honest, I get the feeling that the Hawks will be in the box seat for another flag. They are just that good. Despite the talent at the Swans, it's just not working as it should. There are holes everywhere, and some of the players shouldn't be playing. Raw talent operating within passable structures is the only thing that has won us games so far. Don't feel like the Swans are the well-oiled unit they should be. While I feel Freo will need everything going their way to win the flag (game style, injuries etc - need to run smoothly for them, otherwise they will falter), it seems that the Hawks can be hit with any circumstance, any injury, any form slump, any median player age - and it does not matter. They still find a way to win. We can't even string 4 quarters together at home with a 'full-strength' list.

The negative comments on RWO are warranted and not reactionary to one match. IMHO they are genuine concerns that need to be sorted out. However, when one talks about replacing old players with new ones, you need to be prepared to lose a few more games for long-term gain, and it is too late for that this year if Swans want top 4. I still think Swans will make top 4, but because of debacles like Rich and WB matches, most likely will face Freo in Perth or Hawks on MCG - bye bye flag (realistically).

Will Longmire drop Shaw and play Jones again? Although a big fan of his, I'm not sure he has the balls or the vision. This is a critical juncture during his Swans tenure. He is in charge of a lot of talent, and is not convincing anyone.

[Melbourne_Blood]

At 198cm (taller than Reid) why couldn't Buddy go into the ruck if his otherwise contribution as a forward after half time was 1 handball. Leave Tipptt at FF, Reid to CHF, Derickx gets the red vest, Mitchell stays in the middle?

Buddy to the ruck? Seriously? I could entertain him spending some time on the ball, as a midfielder, but there is no way you risk a guy like Buddy in the ruck. Pure and simple.

[Auntie.Gerald]

It's been a good vent

Can't wait till next week and we are back on track