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  • wolftone57
    Veterans List
    • Aug 2008
    • 5861

    Originally posted by 09183305
    Who did you play for & at what level? 11-17 is pretty much junior footy. And to be honest, who really cares? Even people who haven't played any football at all are entitled to an opinion.
    That's true and I never said any different but this guy made the assertion I didn't play footy at all. I played district footy. Never made it to the Astral levels of the VFL, SANFL etc but I did play. That is why I answered him. I don't care if a person has never played it is a free forum and you can voice your opinion all you like. I have never said any different but this other bloke did.

    Why not have a look at what he said before having a go at me please.

    As to the topic. As I have asserted over and again I don't believe in the principal of a best 22. You have to have at least 28 players who can slot into your side and not lose a beat. Having at least 28 that are match hardened is what has won Hawks three in a row. I'm sure Clarkson does not believe in a Best 22. Damned certain he believes in horses for courses. Match ups are so important today get it wrong and you lose big time.
    Last edited by wolftone57; 2 December 2015, 09:11 AM.

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    • aguy
      Senior Player
      • Mar 2014
      • 1324

      Wolf tone I think I agree with you about the 28 or so players. The best 22 will change depending on the opposition. It's still an interesting topic I think though to ponder the make up of the team and what combinations may work better than others.

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      • 0918330512
        Senior Player
        • Sep 2011
        • 1654

        Originally posted by wolftone57
        Why not have a look at what he said before having a go at me please
        My post wasn't directed at you Wolftone57. Please see the PM I sent you for an explanation.

        Back to the topic & Mods/Liz, please feel free to delete this off topic post.

        Oh, but I also have to agree with the last bit of your post about a best 28. Certain players may have specific roles under unique match day circumstances depending on match ups, weather etc - regardless of injuries necessitating selection changes. A team is only as strong as its weakest player, and improvement of lower ranked players will encourage improvement in players above them.

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        • Scottee
          Senior Player
          • Aug 2003
          • 1585

          Originally posted by wolftone57
          You have to have at least 28 players who can slot into your side and not lose a beat.
          Interesting number when you look at the list. Exactly 30 who have played at least one game (not counting Johnson). But four of those with 8 games between them.
          We have them where we want them, everything is going according to plan!

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          • jono2707
            Goes up to 11
            • Oct 2007
            • 3326

            Not sure if we can pay Buddy and Tippett, retain our other guns (Hanners, Parker et al) AND maintain a deep enough list of at least 28 match hardened players...

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            • ernie koala
              Senior Player
              • May 2007
              • 3251

              Originally posted by aguy
              Now that the list is settled I'm gonna have a go at my best 22.
              B: Talia, Laidler, Smith
              HB: Jones, Grundy, Rampe
              C: Hannebery, Kennedy, Mcviegh
              HF: Heeney, Reid, Parker
              F: Franklin, Tippett, Towers
              FOLL: Sinclair, Mitchell, K Jack
              INT: Cunningham, Lloyd, Mills, Rohan
              I will return to this post through the season and see if my team ever makes it to the field in the exact combination or not
              My team..
              B: Smith Richards Laidler
              HB: McVeigh Grundy Rampe
              C: Jack Kennedy Hannebery
              HF: Franklin Reid Rohan
              FF: Heeney Tippett McGlynn
              FOL: Sinclair Parker Mitchell
              INTER : Jones, Cunningham, Mills, Talia
              EMG : Lloyd, Towers, B Jack
              Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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              • Auntie.Gerald
                Veterans List
                • Oct 2009
                • 6483

                The big question for me is how much Heeney and Mills may dominate?

                These two guys are serious footballers and are the style of players that could impose themselves on the selection committee right before our eyes

                ie rd 6, 2016 and we maybe all laughing at just how well we are set up for the season.....and Heeney and Mills could quite frankly be talked about at a level beyond all our expectations

                These two kids are just so determined and technically proficient beyond so many of our snr guys at the same age

                ........A midfield of Parker, Mitchell, Hannes, BJ, Mills and Heeney is simply a luxury of riches for many years to come.........6 young guns and i know people are not sold on BJ bur we all will be after 2016 !!!!!
                "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                • 707
                  Veterans List
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 6204

                  The Swans have been known for their stinginess in recent years and were ranked fifth this season for points scored against. They were clear leaders when it came to applying pressure to their opposition's forwards and were also best at ensuring the other team struggled to take marks inside their forward 50. Their opponents also only goaled 20.9 per cent of the time they took the ball inside 50; again, the Swans were the best in the League in that area but fell down when it came to winning defensive one-on-one contests, where they were ranked in the bottom four.

                  Wow, what a damning stat!

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                  • Scottee
                    Senior Player
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 1585

                    Originally posted by 707
                    The Swans have been known for their stinginess in recent years and were ranked fifth this season for points scored against. They were clear leaders when it came to applying pressure to their opposition's forwards and were also best at ensuring the other team struggled to take marks inside their forward 50. Their opponents also only goaled 20.9 per cent of the time they took the ball inside 50; again, the Swans were the best in the League in that area but fell down when it came to winning defensive one-on-one contests, where they were ranked in the bottom four.

                    Wow, what a damning stat!
                    It would be interesting to know who the main culprits were.
                    We have them where we want them, everything is going according to plan!

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                    • RogueSwan
                      McVeigh for Brownlow
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 4602

                      Originally posted by Scottee
                      It would be interesting to know who the main culprits were.
                      Shaw, Rampe, Richards, Smooch? All of them had poor one-on-one's at various times through the season. From my less than stellar memory Reg had one of his best season's and was rarely beaten.
                      "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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                      • 707
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 6204

                        Bottom four though, that's hardly believable. One assumes that this key stat is not lost on the coaching panel and becomes an area of focus.

                        As I watch a few replays over summer I'll be watching the backline one on ones with piqued interest to verify who indeed are the weak links.

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                        • liz
                          Veteran
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16786

                          Like most statistics, I think it is dangerous to look at it in isolation. Indeed, the fact that the team measures poorly on this measure yet is amongst the best in terms of conceding scores from forward 50 entries suggests there is something else going on. I think that, assisting by the (usually) good midfield pressure, the team probably finds itself in true one-on-one contests relatively infrequently. Those that do occur will often be from a poor turnover that has left the defence exposed because it is easy for the opposition to kick to their player's advantage. Even if a defender makes some kind of contest, he will usually lose it. Most teams will lose these one-on-one contests. However, other teams probably have more one-on-one contests where the ball is coming in slightly less perfectly, and their defenders are able to win, or at least halve, many of these. In contrast, I suspect the Swans manage to avoid many of these being one on one contests at all. Therefore, if you measure the number of one on one contests lost as a percentage of one on one contests conceded, the Swans will likely score poorly.

                          That said, I am not surprised it is a measure the team is relatively weak at. Ted's not big for a key defender and Reg isn't exactly a monster either, compared to many of today's forwards. With Laidler and Rampe often asked to play taller than they really are, it is to be expected they will often be outpointed. The reason the team works hard to cover for each other and minimise the number of one on one contests to start with is probably for this precise reason.

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                          • 707
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6204

                            As always, good analysis Liz. Will be interesting to see if Talia can become a regular, if so that will leave Ted to be the third/floating tall, maybe relegating Laidler or using Rampe in a different role.

                            In fact it wouldn't surprise to see a fresh approach to team structure, maybe Rampe more midfield, McVeigh back more than mid, Heeney given another year as a damaging forward, a better structured forward half ...... then again this is the Swans :-)

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                            • barry
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 8499

                              Originally posted by ernie koala
                              My team..
                              B: Smith Richards Laidler
                              HB: McVeigh Grundy Rampe
                              C: Jack Kennedy Hannebery
                              HF: Franklin Reid Rohan
                              FF: Heeney Tippett McGlynn
                              FOL: Sinclair Parker Mitchell
                              INTER : Jones, Cunningham, Mills, Talia
                              EMG : Lloyd, Towers, B Jack

                              The backline is the key for me. Forward line sorts itself out.

                              We need three "talls". Grundy, Richards and Talia. Hopefully Talia turns out alright, and Teddy can play the 3rd tall as he transitions out.
                              We need 3 nuggety types: Smith, Laidler and Rampe.

                              And we need some rotation, which is McHack and Jones.

                              Jones could easily become a permanent member. Smith seemed to have a poor 2015, maybe time has caught up with him. McHacks days are numbered I'm afraid. Like any limited skilled player, there time at the top is brief.

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                              • Nico
                                Veterans List
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 11343

                                Pretty clear to me why this stat is so poor; we lose the centre clearances too easily, hence the ball comes in quickly to one on one contests.
                                http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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