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  • Primmy
    Proud Tragic Swan
    • Apr 2008
    • 5970

    #91
    Originally posted by dimelb
    Good. Disgraceful that the American Facebook conveners considered them to be ok and refused to remove them. About time the AFL stepped up.
    If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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    • Velour&Ruffles
      Regular in the Side
      • Jun 2006
      • 898

      #92
      Originally posted by Primmy
      About time the AFL stepped up.
      Yep, only a year too late. Well done AFL.
      My opinion is objective truth in its purest form

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      • dimelb
        pr. dim-melb; m not f
        • Jun 2003
        • 6889

        #93
        Andrew Webster names the anomaly:

        Why do Australians celebrate Muhammad Ali but continue to bully Adam Goodes?
        He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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        • Triple B
          Formerly 'BBB'
          • Feb 2003
          • 6999

          #94
          Originally posted by dimelb
          Unfortunately I'm not sure it does anything more than open up the debate again and give the unwashed more ammo...
          Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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          • RogueSwan
            McVeigh for Brownlow
            • Apr 2003
            • 4602

            #95
            My answer to that question:
            Australians never felt that Ali questioned them he only questioned American society (which isn't true)
            "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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            • Untamed Snark
              Senior Player
              • Feb 2011
              • 1375

              #96
              Originally posted by RogueSwan
              My answer to that question:
              Australians never felt that Ali questioned them he only questioned American society (which isn't true)
              Exactly.

              Adam has apparently closed his twitter account, guessing he was trolled fairly heavily after the Harambe idiocy.
              Chillin' with the strange Quarks

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              • liz
                Veteran
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 16776

                #97
                Originally posted by RogueSwan
                My answer to that question:
                Australians never felt that Ali questioned them he only questioned American society (which isn't true)
                I believe the passing of time has a lot to do with it.

                Many of those most critical of (and virulent towards) tried to contrast the response to him with that towards Winmar and Long, trying to argue that these two were noble crusaders for the cause but Goodes was just an attention seeking whatever. This conveniently ignores the fact that the responses at the time to the famous Winmar and Long incidents were far from uniform at the time. Both copped their share of condemnation from those who argued they were over-reacting. I have read comments from Long about how he received death threats after challenging Monkhurst's vilification.

                Now, with the passage of time, the almost universal attitude towards these two is very positive. I expect Goodes' actions will be seen in a similar light in ten, fifteen or twenty years time. (And yes, it is very sad that we may need to wait that long.)

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                • AnnieH
                  RWOs Black Sheep
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 11332

                  #98
                  Originally posted by liz
                  I believe the passing of time has a lot to do with it.

                  Many of those most critical of (and virulent towards) tried to contrast the response to him with that towards Winmar and Long, trying to argue that these two were noble crusaders for the cause but Goodes was just an attention seeking whatever. This conveniently ignores the fact that the responses at the time to the famous Winmar and Long incidents were far from uniform at the time. Both copped their share of condemnation from those who argued they were over-reacting. I have read comments from Long about how he received death threats after challenging Monkhurst's vilification.

                  Now, with the passage of time, the almost universal attitude towards these two is very positive. I expect Goodes' actions will be seen in a similar light in ten, fifteen or twenty years time. (And yes, it is very sad that we may need to wait that long.)
                  Ignorance @@@@s me.
                  Why should he have to wait 20 years to have the glory he so deserves?
                  Australia is a funny place.
                  Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                  Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                  • liz
                    Veteran
                    Site Admin
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 16776

                    #99
                    @@@@s me too but I don't think it is peculiar to Australia or even to specific kinds of event. Time has a habit of changing people's perspectives on lots of things.

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                    • southsideswan
                      Warming the Bench
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 237

                      My daughter had a wonderful experience recently. She took some children into DJ's where Adam was attending a book launch. The children were sitting down in front of him while he read a childrens book. In some ways it was so ordinary (in a nice way) but so special for me as I admire everything thing he has done on and off the field.

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