2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

[goswannies]

Don't tease us Liz, who would this be, a Langford?

Nicholas Blakey?

[Mug Punter]

It will be fascinating to see how the off-season unfolds but for once, after that frigging trade ban, we'll be holding a few cards.

I can see three definites as being de-lists (Ted, Tom and Jack) I still think McGlynn will be cut which makes it four but I do think he is one of Horse's pets and if he has a big finals series then he may demand an extra year.

I can see Towers and Nankervis leaving. Towers is 26 and needs and deserves regular senior footy and financially he will be able to get a better deal somewhere else. Likewise I can see Nankervis leaving for the same reason and he is just perfect to be cherry-picked. I'd expect a late second rounder for each of these guys.

Mitchell I think is 50-50 but let's assume if he stays McGlynn goes and vice versa so we are talking six outs.

I'd upgrade Newman and Papley with Marsh being promised the AJ LTIL upgrade and Foote, who still has a lot of work to do to break into our midfield, having a make or break year as a third year rookie.

I would try and recruit Finlayson from GWS as defensive cover and a development player, say with our third round pick.

I'd try and use one of our Nanka/Towers picks to get us an upgraded second round selection leaving us with picks around 18,24 and 40. With our three picks I'd take the two best available mids with the first two selections and the best available ruckman with our other Nanka/Towers compo (circa Pick 40) (Tony Olango if he is available)

I'd also keep enough room in the cap to expand our list to 39 and match a late bid for Jake Brown if it comes in. I'd look at Liam Maze as a rookie listed ruckman since we'd be losing three if Galloway is also delisted.

Ideally I'd like to see us keeping our current stable of ruckmen as they have served us well this year and we have needed all four of them but I just have a feeling Toby feels he can do better after four years than being #4 in the ruck stakes.

If Mitchell was to be traded (and I hope he stays) I'd take a first rounder in 2017 because right now I think our list is pretty solid and an extra first rounder next year just give us that ace in the pack if we need to trade someone in then.

[707]

Hadn't thought about a 2017 first rounder for Mitchell if he goes but thinking about it, seems the way to go and more palatable for possible suitors.

[707]

Longmire said in his presser that Reid was the only player missing from our QF lineup, looks like Sam is still a required player despite people wanting to trade him out.

[Ludwig]

Longmire said in his presser that Reid was the only player missing from our QF lineup, looks like Sam is still a required player despite people wanting to trade him out.

I for one would prefer a fit Sam Reid to a fit Xavier Richards. I think Sam is the best option for us in that role. But it doesn't necessarily make him a required player, just the best player for the job at the moment. I would like to see us work something out with Sam before the trade period ends so we know what he's likely to do as a free agent next year. I can't predict where those conversations will lead. There are too many variables.

[Faunac8]

Longmire said in his presser that Reid was the only player missing from our QF lineup, looks like Sam is still a required player despite people wanting to trade him out.

Seriously though even if he was fit why would you play him in a game as important as this? Methinks John is keeping an eye on RWO and is just fanning the flames of discussion ????

[O'Reilly Boy]

Seriously though even if he was fit why would you play him in a game as important as this? Methinks John is keeping an eye on RWO and is just fanning the flames of discussion ??

I read it just as saying that Reid would be in the hypothetical best 22, rather than being a realistic chance of getting a game in the next four weeks (the interesting question is whether a fit AJ would also be in that 22; impossible to answer). It is remarkable to have such a healthy list at the pointy end of the season.

[Mr Magoo]

Interesting as that would suggest that Sinclair and Jones aren't in the best 22 either or maybe he was just talking about who was injured?

[Mountain Man]

I thought Jones had cracker of a game in the NEAFL on Saturday. He would be in my best 22 instead of Marsh - fitness etc not being a factor; just hypothetical best 22

[Mug Punter]

I thought Jones had cracker of a game in the NEAFL on Saturday. He would be in my best 22 instead of Marsh - fitness etc not being a factor; just hypothetical best 22

Realistically he is the only unforced change I could see happening. I would have thought Marsh would make way for Mills but Harry would probably be at risk for Jones to come back in if he plays well again in the GF on Sunday

[stevoswan]

It will be fascinating to see how the off-season unfolds but for once, after that frigging trade ban, we'll be holding a few cards.

I can see three definites as being de-lists (Ted, Tom and Jack) I still think McGlynn will be cut which makes it four but I do think he is one of Horse's pets and if he has a big finals series then he may demand an extra year.

I can see Towers and Nankervis leaving. Towers is 26 and needs and deserves regular senior footy and financially he will be able to get a better deal somewhere else. Likewise I can see Nankervis leaving for the same reason and he is just perfect to be cherry-picked. I'd expect a late second rounder for each of these guys.

Mitchell I think is 50-50 but let's assume if he stays McGlynn goes and vice versa so we are talking six outs.

I'd upgrade Newman and Papley with Marsh being promised the AJ LTIL upgrade and Foote, who still has a lot of work to do to break into our midfield, having a make or break year as a third year rookie.

I would try and recruit Finlayson from GWS as defensive cover and a development player, say with our third round pick.

I'd try and use one of our Nanka/Towers picks to get us an upgraded second round selection leaving us with picks around 18,24 and 40. With our three picks I'd take the two best available mids with the first two selections and the best available ruckman with our other Nanka/Towers compo (circa Pick 40) (Tony Olango if he is available)

I'd also keep enough room in the cap to expand our list to 39 and match a late bid for Jake Brown if it comes in. I'd look at Liam Maze as a rookie listed ruckman since we'd be losing three if Galloway is also delisted.

Ideally I'd like to see us keeping our current stable of ruckmen as they have served us well this year and we have needed all four of them but I just have a feeling Toby feels he can do better after four years than being #4 in the ruck stakes.

If Mitchell was to be traded (and I hope he stays) I'd take a first rounder in 2017 because right now I think our list is pretty solid and an extra first rounder next year just give us that ace in the pack if we need to trade someone in then.

Mug, are you actually Kinnear Beatson incognito? Good post......

[Nico]

I for one would prefer a fit Sam Reid to a fit Xavier Richards. I think Sam is the best option for us in that role. But it doesn't necessarily make him a required player, just the best player for the job at the moment. I would like to see us work something out with Sam before the trade period ends so we know what he's likely to do as a free agent next year. I can't predict where those conversations will lead. There are too many variables.

Yeh but Xaviers upward J curve is getting steeper by the game. Call me an optimist but I reckon he will become a key player for us in coming years. He appears to have an X factor.

[Leaguey]

It will be fascinating to see how the off-season unfolds but for once, after that frigging trade ban, we'll be holding a few cards.

I can see three definites as being de-lists (Ted, Tom and Jack) I still think McGlynn will be cut which makes it four but I do think he is one of Horse's pets and if he has a big finals series then he may demand an extra year.

I can see Towers and Nankervis leaving. Towers is 26 and needs and deserves regular senior footy and financially he will be able to get a better deal somewhere else. Likewise I can see Nankervis leaving for the same reason and he is just perfect to be cherry-picked. I'd expect a late second rounder for each of these guys.

Mitchell I think is 50-50 but let's assume if he stays McGlynn goes and vice versa so we are talking six outs.

I'd upgrade Newman and Papley with Marsh being promised the AJ LTIL upgrade and Foote, who still has a lot of work to do to break into our midfield, having a make or break year as a third year rookie.

I would try and recruit Finlayson from GWS as defensive cover and a development player, say with our third round pick.

I'd try and use one of our Nanka/Towers picks to get us an upgraded second round selection leaving us with picks around 18,24 and 40. With our three picks I'd take the two best available mids with the first two selections and the best available ruckman with our other Nanka/Towers compo (circa Pick 40) (Tony Olango if he is available)

I'd also keep enough room in the cap to expand our list to 39 and match a late bid for Jake Brown if it comes in. I'd look at Liam Maze as a rookie listed ruckman since we'd be losing three if Galloway is also delisted.

Ideally I'd like to see us keeping our current stable of ruckmen as they have served us well this year and we have needed all four of them but I just have a feeling Toby feels he can do better after four years than being #4 in the ruck stakes.

If Mitchell was to be traded (and I hope he stays) I'd take a first rounder in 2017 because right now I think our list is pretty solid and an extra first rounder next year just give us that ace in the pack if we need to trade someone in then.

Don't forget we also have 3 academy topup players(including Brown plus Wilson & Hebron) in State Combine plus Ben Davis in National draft.Any thoughts on those 4?

[Doctor]

Nicholas Blakey?

Got it in one.

[bloodspirit]

I am warming to the idea of O'Meara and he is seeming gettable if we trade out Mitchell. For us it can be a good move because while they are both great players JOM (a) has more upside; and (b) is more different to our other midfielders and offers more on the outside and in terms of classy disposal. On the downside JOM has a disquieting recent injury history, so there is some risk.

I'm not sure if this would be overs but we would be able to offer 2 first round picks for JOM - ours plus one that we get for Mitchell. Losing Mitchell, Teddy and McGlynn is also going to create some salary cap space and, while we need that space because some of it is already accounted for, an anticipated increase in the cap size could make room for JOM, especially if he's willing to resist top dollar to come to a champion club. Given that I gather he is from around Geraldton, WA the go-home factor is hopefully neutralised because there is no AFL club that can take him 'home'.

What's changed for me is that I have realised that JOM is not as unattainable as I had previously thought. Also he's come out and formally made it clear that he wants to leave the Suns. This is among the (multiple) upsides of blooding so many youngsters and losing so many oldies - cap space!