The Final Quarter / The Australian Dream (AG documentaries) and related discussion

[dejavoodoo44]

The world would be a much better place if people weren't so bigoted.

Yeah, right. I guess we should have thrown off our preconceptions, when viewing all those knuckle dragging morons, screaming abuse at a Swans champion, and instead thought, thank you for sharing the love.

[S.S. Bleeder]

The operative term was pandering to racism and stupidity. While I haven't watched a lot of The Project, the only person I've seen on that show pandering to racism and stupidity, was Steve Price. Whereas Waleed Aly and Lisa Wilkinson are accomplished presenters, who seem to assume that their audience are intelligent media consumers.
As far as the ABC goes, it is an essential part of Australian culture, that is slowly being worn down by years and years of attacks and funding cuts by obsessive right wingers. Which I find grimly ironic. That is, just how much time, the self-appointed guardians of "our culture" spend attacking our cultural institutions and those who make culture. Scientists, academics, the CSIRO, the BOM, the ABC, actual journalists, actors, musicians, and even sports people with an opinion, none are spared the tedious whining of the talkback and tabloid culture warriors.

Oh boy. No wonder this country is falling back to the dark ages of communism/socialism.

[dejavoodoo44]

Oh boy. No wonder this country is falling back to the dark ages of communism/socialism.

Odd view of a country that has an LNP government. And I'm not sure when we were communist? In the dark ages? Do you mean before the white people arrived?

[liz]

The discussion in this thread is threatening to topple over from civilised - even when we have differing opinions and values - into name calling. Please go back and re-read post 353 if you think you might be guilty of this (or ideally regardless, if you intend to continue to post in the thread).

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[S.S. Bleeder]

The discussion in this thread is threatening to topple over from civilised - even when we have differing opinions and values - into name calling. Please go back and re-read post 353 if you think you might be guilty of this (or ideally regardless, if you intend to continue to post in the thread).

The Final Quarter / The Australian Dream (AG documentaries) and related discussion - Page 30

Thanks Liz. One of the few balanced and logical people people (other than those who are too scared to say what they think for fear of persecution) on RWO.

[Agent 86]

Oh boy. No wonder this country is falling back to the dark ages of communism/socialism.

Is it? I’d say we’ve never been so far the other way? (Unless you’re referring to the dark times when it was lawful to kill blackfellas?)

[S.S. Bleeder]

Settle petal. Probably not the thread to be posting in as you won't find many friends here.

Which proves my point. Because I'm in the minority I shouldn't post here right? What sort of a thread is this? It's in the general footy chat section, therefore should be open to differing opinions. Maybe RWO should only be open to LWNJs, would that make you happy?

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Is it? I’d say we’ve never been so far the other way? (Unless you’re referring to the dark times when it was lawful to kill blackfellas?)

Pathetic.

[Agent 86]

Another perspective. Worth reading.

What Adam Goodes taught me about the Australia I was growing up in | NITV

“In our house being Aboriginal was the greatest thing you could be. It was something all of us could be proud of, but outside our walls, the very opposite message was being said.”

If you’re not touched by this quote, then you’re part of the problem.

[Agent 86]

Which proves my point. Because I'm in the minority I shouldn't post here right? What sort of a thread is this? It's in the general footy chat section, therefore should be open to differing opinions. Maybe RWO should only be open to LWNJs, would that make you happy?

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Pathetic.

Not about left wing or right here, just about common decency (‘Andrew’ would call it ‘political correctness gone mad’).

[dejavoodoo44]

Which proves my point. Because I'm in the minority I shouldn't post here right? What sort of a thread is this? It's in the general footy chat section, therefore should be open to differing opinions. Maybe RWO should only be open to LWNJs, would that make you happy?

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Pathetic.

Nice to see to see that you are yet again rising above the name calling.

[Go Swannies]

What? Swans supporters can't have a diverse range of opinions? What is this, China or North Korea?

The world would be a much better place if people weren't so bigoted.

It is a very wide use of the term bigot to attack people who defend Adam Goodes' right to speak as a representative of his people - and for footballers, too if he likes. I find it strange to come onto a Swans fan site and see people attack the greatest Swans player of all time. I can't think of another Swan who achieved two Brownlows, two premierships and the great honour of being Australian of the Year so I can't see how anyone could disagree with that.

While many in the wider community can defend their ignorance by saying that they never met the man (probably with the addendum "and never want to") I'd expect anyone who has followed the Swans with any enthusiasm over the past 15 years would have had a chance to meet Adam. On the times when I have spoken with him I've found him genuinely nice: a gentle soul who is considerate of others and genuinely interested in what you have to say. My non-footy following wife was awed to meet him the first time and her camera froze (as she did) when I went to take the pic of the two of them. Later in the evening Adam sought her out, remembered her name and made sure she got the photo she wanted. Even if he'd never laced up a football boot I'd be proud to have him represent me as Australian of the Year. Likewise his thoughts on the problems we have with race in our society is far more considered than just about anything I've heard or read elsewhere. I feel he's an Australian elder before his time and I hope we grow into him.

[jono2707]

Which proves my point. Because I'm in the minority I shouldn't post here right? What sort of a thread is this? It's in the general footy chat section, therefore should be open to differing opinions. Maybe RWO should only be open to LWNJs, would that make you happy?

Just wondering why you'd bother spouting forth against one of the greatest ever Swans and the crappy treatment he's received.

Plus this thread was a bit of a salve to some fans who have felt personally impacted by the events around Adam and the ongoing repercussions.

So yeah, maybe you shouldn't post in this specific thread.

[stevoswan]

So Bolt and Panahi are pandering to their audience in exactly the same way that Ali, Wilkinson and their crones are doing? Correct? The ABC are also doing this except that as they are funded by the taxpayers, they are supposed to be non-partisan.

No.....they are just NICE (and balanced and truthful). Speaking of bigots, like all right wingers, you twist that around......Bolt, Panahi, Jones, Newman, all clueless bigots.

Both sides are just pushing their case......to disagree isn't 'shutting down', censorship or extremism.....it's just disagreeing. This country needs to just chill out a bit on the tribal bull@@@@.

[Agent 86]

So Bolt and Panahi are pandering to their audience in exactly the same way that Ali, Wilkinson and their crones are doing? Correct? The ABC are also doing this except that as they are funded by the taxpayers, they are supposed to be non-partisan.

Actually, 80% of Australian’s judge the ABC as trustworthy news source. The other 20 probably vote One Nation, have signed up to Cory Bernardi’s mess or read alternative News Corp.

[Bloods05]

So Bolt and Panahi are pandering to their audience in exactly the same way that Ali, Wilkinson and their crones are doing? Correct? The ABC are also doing this except that as they are funded by the taxpayers, they are supposed to be non-partisan.

Ah, no. There is a vast difference. The fact that you can't see it makes it very difficult to engage in discussion. Suffice it to say it's to do with intellectual honesty and a willingness to examine one's assumptions.