2017 trading, drafting, list management

[Markwebbos]

There are many players who've suffered bad injuries in the year or two preceding their draft who have fallen (to varying degrees) in the draft due to a query over their recovery (or their risk). These include:
Chris Judd
Joel Selwood
Jake Stringer
Alex Woodward
Ryan Burton
Jake Lever

(just off the top of my head).

On the other hand, there are probably plenty of others who never did quite recover from their injuries and go on to become the players they were touted to become. The only one I can think off without going searching is Callum Barlett but I am sure there are plenty more littering the annals of draft history.

Ryan Fitzgerald didn?t have an injury cloud when he arrived but it ruined his career.

[Cosmic Wizard]

There are many players who've suffered bad injuries in the year or two preceding their draft who have fallen (to varying degrees) in the draft due to a query over their recovery (or their risk). These include:
Chris Judd
Joel Selwood
Jake Stringer
Alex Woodward
Ryan Burton
Jake Lever

(just off the top of my head).

On the other hand, there are probably plenty of others who never did quite recover from their injuries and go on to become the players they were touted to become. The only one I can think off without going searching is Callum Barlett but I am sure there are plenty more littering the annals of draft history.

Alex Witherden broke his leg, but is a totally star in the making at Brisbane!.

Basically we are very close to a flag with the team with have, but Buddy is not getting younger.

We don't need any project players, and with Blakey next year, he can be our tall project and not Balta.

We need a first round recruit who can make an impact game one, not fade out like Florent (he get better with a few preseason).

Bonnar will be about the mark of 14, and for those who say he has been injury, he sure didn't test that way at the combine.

All players get injury, but the Swans have always try to recruit players with some hard character.

Coming back from that sort of injury gives you some mental toughest, and that what really succeed in AFL.

Also on another note, it true Club have got away playing just one ruck man in the last two Flags.

But i would say small forward lines can be caught out if your defenders are tall and quick.

Bonnar both tall and quick, a swing man like Hyphen, far better than Reid who looks lost often or not down back.

Where will our improvement come? We need only one ruck and towers substituting.

So only one of Tipp, Sinkers or Naismith in the 22; mind you getting Horse to change his coaching is a lost cause!

Bonnar without injury would have been a 5 to 10 pick; we have lots of good mids and good depth, time to roll the dice for a premiership!

[Ludwig]

ACL and foot injuries are more likely to cause long term problems than a broken leg, especially for teenagers. That said, Bonar may well be worth the risk if he's available at our pick. I don't think he would play senior footy for us next year if drafted. He still has a lot of catching up to do to raise his aerobic capacity to an AFL level. He missed 2 years of football. The others in the mix are all okay in the 'tank' department.

I don't think we need, nor will we get, a player in this draft who will see much senior footy in 2018, and I'm fine with that. I think we go into the season with plenty of depth. Almost any KPP drafted at 18 can be considered a project player, if that means someone who will play in the reserves for a couple of years before requiring them to play in the seniors. With so many players contending for spots next year, it's no problem drafting players who we can develop for a year or 2 in the NEAFL before they come into contention for a senior role. I can't imagine anyone in the draft who will make the difference for any team winning a premiership next year.

[liz]

I agree with Ludwig that anyone we draft this year is for the future, not an immediate premiership challenge. We could get lucky and find someone ready to slot in straight away - ala Heeney and Mills - but those two were effectively top 3 draft picks and also had the advantage of already knowing the club well (and the club them). Or we might find someone who can play some senior footy, even if they're not physically ready - ala Florent or Haywood - but that would be a bonus, not the aim.

[707]

From the AFL website about delisted WCE Tom Lamb, my bolding

Collingwood was a big admirer of Lamb during his draft year, while Sydney and the Western Bulldogs have also been linked to the Edithvale-Aspendale product.

Standing at 193cm, the NAB AFL Academy graduate believes his height may have been a hindrance to his progress, as he often played as a key forward (in the WAFL) when his elite endurance is much better suited to a flank or the wing.

Any 18yo we draft will have little impact on our 2018, it's kids like Florent & Hayward who may step up next year with a full pre-season and a development year under their belt. The whole squad should be better placed for 2018, last year we had very few players complete a full pre-season, many had surgery and were late/very late starters, we get an extra two weeks this year because of the early exit, hopefully there's no glandular fever etc!

But we could roll the dice and grab a mature player, we have list spots and the ability to rookie AJ to create a further spot.

[Ludwig]

But we could roll the dice and grab a mature player, we have list spots and the ability to rookie AJ to create a further spot.

Don't forget that we have Robbie Fox who will be 25 in April. It's fair to say that if he can't find his way into our best 25-30, at least, that he will be delisted, so he's the mature ager that should be challenging for a spot next year. I don't know if it pays to have another one. We can see by the recent delistings that there are always reasonable mature aged players who can fill a spot if we have the need, but if we don't have the need, there's no point in adding them to the queue for senior spots.

When I did my best 22 for next year it really turned into a best 26 with Florent, McVeigh, Towers and Cunningham just missing. I have Aliir, Dawson, Newman and Hayward in the 22, but even if you flip them, it's still a solid best 26. We also have depth in the ruck and KPF positions. We have a pretty solid group of rookies, as only Edwards retired the rest were good enough to be retained another year. I expect a few 2nd and 3rd year players who haven't yet played a senior game to show AFL credentials next year.

We should get 2 capable players with picks 14 and 33. KB usually has a few good smokies, like Papley and Melican, so I wouldn't discount a pleasant surprise at pick 51 and the rookie draft. We keep getting in more good players than those going out, so we're heading in the right direction.

[Markwebbos]

At the risk of repeating myself: every line coach will be different in 2018. I wonder how that will change the way we play; who?s in the best 22; and who we go after in the draft?

[liz]

I've just seen the first delisted name who has piqued my interest (and my surprise that he's not been retained) - (ex) Brisbane rookie Reuben Williams. I watched us play the Lions' NEAFL side at least three times last year (I can't recall whether I saw the H&A that we won) and I thought he was eye-catching, if a little raw. For a side like Brisbane, where list spots surely can't be at a premium, I'm surprised he's not been given a second year on their rookie list.

I hope he gets another chance at another club, whether that's us or someone else. Maybe the Suns will give him a go.

[Auntie.Gerald]

I think outside run is still an area we need competition for spots and depth in 2018
I think Hartung would thrive at Sydney

Endurance king looking for new club after delisting
Hawks cut three, but a lifeline is on offer - M.afl.com.au

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http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-10/young-lion-reuben-william-caught-drink-driving-

[707]

The astute observation of a ressie watcher! What type of player is he Liz?

I'm assuming now that all our remaining rookies are staying for 2018. So that's minus Melican, Murray & Edwards meaning three new rookies although one spot could be AJ if we need to rookie rather than one year main list him.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Young Lion Reuben William caught drink driving - M.afl.com.au

Liz how would William compare to Sam Murray ?

[Ludwig]

I've just seen the first delisted name who has piqued my interest (and my surprise that he's not been retained) - (ex) Brisbane rookie Reuben Williams. I watched us play the Lions' NEAFL side at least three times last year (I can't recall whether I saw the H&A that we won) and I thought he was eye-catching, if a little raw. For a side like Brisbane, where list spots surely can't be at a premium, I'm surprised he's not been given a second year on their rookie list.

I hope he gets another chance at another club, whether that's us or someone else. Maybe the Suns will give him a go.

Yes. When I saw that name, I too was surprised and had this vague recollection of really being impressed by his game, which must have been the NEAFL GF. There have been many big names delisted, but William is the one I would think is worth taking a 2nd look at. On the downside, he's been 2 years on the rookie list of the wooden spooners and hasn't gotten a senior game, so something must be amiss.

[liz]

Young Lion Reuben William caught drink driving - M.afl.com.au

Liz how would William compare to Sam Murray ?

That article addresses a misconception I had about William- clearly he's just finished his second year on the Lions' rookie list, not his first year. That does change my assessment of him somewhat, given you'd expect to see a bit more polish by a player's second year.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Reuben William's Story - YouTube

[mattybloods]

Michael Close from Brisbane also delisted. I'm sure he'll get picked up by someone