2017 trading, drafting, list management

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  • stevoswan
    Veterans List
    • Sep 2014
    • 8545

    Originally posted by Meg
    If you are bored and looking for something to do, look at a photo posted by Laidler on his Insta account today of a group of blokes on the back of a boat in a ?bucks do? for Nick Smith. Then put names to all the faces. Hint: there are a LOT of backmen (and others). Memories of past Swans list management!
    I was bored! Let's see, there's Nick of course, Laids, Teddy, Goodsey, Tadhg, Reg, LRT, Ramps (obscured), Jake L, KJ (obscured), Pykey, Nic Newman (?), Marty Mattner, Craig Bolton and maybe AJ. The rest I'm struggling with......

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    • liz
      Veteran
      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16739

      Originally posted by stevoswan
      The rest I'm struggling with......
      It's always possible that Smith has some friends who aren't (or weren't) footballers. Though one of the shorter ones towards the front (not the one at the very front) could be McGlynn.

      It's kinda sweet to see so many defenders across several generations (in the context of Swans lists) all gathered together.

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      • royboy42
        Senior Player
        • Apr 2006
        • 2076

        With mixed feelings I note that Tommy Mitchell ran away with the Hawks' B&F last night.

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16739

          Originally posted by royboy42
          With mixed feelings I note that Tommy Mitchell ran away with the Hawks' B&F last night.
          Not really surprising. But remember that the Hawks missed the finals and without Mitchell they'd probably have finished in the bottom couple.

          He's a very good player - despite the media only waking up to this in season 2017, Swans fans knew this before - but I still don't think our team has been weakened by his departure, given we can only field 22 players at any time and we started to develop a more diverse midfield in 2017. If he is dominating and winning Brownlows in his late 20s once Joey has retired and, if we've not found an adequate replacement for Joey, it might sting a bit more. But the Hawks have had to put up with watching Kennedy blossom into one of the very best inside midfielders in the competition, and they didn't actually realise just how good he was.

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          • Auntie.Gerald
            Veterans List
            • Oct 2009
            • 6474

            Liz my gut feeling is the Hawks knew JPK was good for an inside mid role which was not hugely their game plan at the time

            He definitely thrived with our game plan of highly contested footy on a smaller field where josh didn't have to flood forward and back via more uncontested style of Hawks footy

            The Hawks had a stack of players ahead of him but we paid a handsome amount that they could not match due to an overflowing amount of players on their list plus they maybe thought he would come back a couple seasons later ...........but he stayed in Sydney thank goodness
            "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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            • CureTheSane
              Carpe Noctem
              • Jan 2003
              • 5032

              I now think that our team was weakened by Mitchell's departure.
              Hard to say that it wasn't given his stats.
              Not saying it was the wrong call, and we always have to look to the future and salary cap etc, but with him in the side we would have been a bit better.
              The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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              • Ludwig
                Veterans List
                • Apr 2007
                • 9359

                Losing Mitchell probably hurt us this year, especially during our 0-6 run. Maybe he could have made the difference that got us into the top 4. But I think the longer effects of the Mitchell trade will be positive. I don't think we would have seen George Hewett develop into a player that came in 5th in the Bob Skilton Medal. Ollie Florent will give us more of the diversity we need in our team going forward. He shows every sign of being a quick, skillful and intelligent player. Most calls are easier to make with hindsight.

                We lost a very good player who Hawthorn got at a bargain price, although pick 14 in the 2016 draft is probably equal to a pick 5 pick this year. We have to look at the bigger picture and take into account all the variables, including salary cap and player diversity. It was a good trade because it helped both clubs.

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                • giant
                  Veterans List
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 4731

                  Originally posted by ugg
                  Where is the Rory Thompson rumour? I?d be very surprised if we are bringing in a key defender.
                  Really? Why would you be surprised? Seems a good choice to me.

                  - - - Updated - - -

                  Watts? God I hope not - he's like Towers without the ticker. A footballer in the AFL that grates on me as much as this bloke I can't think of.

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                  • Markwebbos
                    Veterans List
                    • Jul 2016
                    • 7186

                    Looks like Watts is going to Port. Possibly for the best

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                    • Captain
                      Captain of the Side
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 3602

                      We are in urgent need of a key forward to give Buddy a chop out and us a target when Reid is playing his swing man role.

                      Sinclair is handy but is not the next premiership full forward and is more of a ruckman.

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                      • S.S. Bleeder
                        Senior Player
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 2165

                        Watts is meeting with the Swans today but it is only a face-to-face meeting whilst our management is in Melbourne for the draft. Not Watts travelling to Sydney for a tour, etc. I'd be very surprised if we got him.

                        I hope we are looking at someone to bring in that can immediately help our senior players. We are in the premiership window and have plenty of youth already.

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                        • RogueSwan
                          McVeigh for Brownlow
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 4602

                          Originally posted by Captain
                          We are in urgent need of a key forward to give Buddy a chop out and us a target when Reid is playing his swing man role.

                          Sinclair is handy but is not the next premiership full forward and is more of a ruckman.
                          Or get someone in the back line that play that loose(ish) role.
                          I thought this year showed that Sinclair was more of a forward than a ruck.
                          "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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                          • 707
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6204

                            Footy boss Tom Harley says discussions about trading Kurt Tippett haven't taken place, while they're read more about Jack Watts joining their club than they've talked about it.

                            Either complete smokescreen or we really haven't done much regarding Watts. Not sure he's exactly what we need so happy for him to go elsewhere but if we are into him, the club obviously has a role in mind.

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                            • Burra
                              Warming the Bench
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 104

                              Originally posted by Ludwig
                              Losing Mitchell probably hurt us this year, especially during our 0-6 run. Maybe he could have made the difference that got us into the top 4. But I think the longer effects of the Mitchell trade will be positive. I don't think we would have seen George Hewett develop into a player that came in 5th in the Bob Skilton Medal. Ollie Florent will give us more of the diversity we need in our team going forward. He shows every sign of being a quick, skillful and intelligent player. Most calls are easier to make with hindsight.

                              We lost a very good player who Hawthorn got at a bargain price, although pick 14 in the 2016 draft is probably equal to a pick 5 pick this year. We have to look at the bigger picture and take into account all the variables, including salary cap and player diversity. It was a good trade because it helped both clubs.
                              When I raised this earlier in the season I copped a mauling, even from you, IIRC. I don't care however you spin it, I can't believe having Mitchell in the lineup would not strengthen the team.

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                              • Mr Magoo
                                Senior Player
                                • May 2008
                                • 1255

                                You cant have everyone

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