2017 trading, drafting, list management

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  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16773

    Thanks Meg for taking the time to write the response that I wish I'd made time to write.

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    • Markwebbos
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2016
      • 7186

      Players normally retire out of contract. It?s usually a question of whether they?ll get another one. Mumford had another year to go on his contract and was forced to retire - as I understand it they got medical advice that he was unfit to play on.

      I think this is unprecedented.

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      • Meg
        Go Swannies!
        Site Admin
        • Aug 2011
        • 4828

        Originally posted by Markwebbos
        Players normally retire out of contract. It?s usually a question of whether they?ll get another one. Mumford had another year to go on his contract and was forced to retire - as I understand it they got medical advice that he was unfit to play on.

        I think this is unprecedented.
        I think Bradshaw did the same with us.

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        • Ludwig
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 9359

          I too concur with Meg. Although I am unhappy with the situation with Tippett's contract, I have never blamed this on Tippett. It's unfortunate he's been injured, but it's not his fault.

          If I can elaborate on the comment by Markwebbos, we might be able to come to an agreement with Tippett to do the same as Mummy and retire due to injury. Then we give him another job at the club, like rehab coach, at a mutually agreed amount. This would get him off our books for TPP purposes.

          I am pessimistic about Tippett's playing future after an ankle reco at his age. I doubt he will get back to playing at a level up to AFL standard and will just end up 4th in the queue for ruckmen, even if he makes a medically full recovery. I think Naismith comes out of contract next year, and we will probably have to let him go if Tippett stays at the club.

          As for AJ, I think keeping him on the primary list served some purpose other than loyalty to an injured player. He was almost certainly on a minimum salary for primary list players and took a list spot when we were transitioning through the loss of COLA period. If we dropped him from the list, his spot might have gone to someone requiring a higher salary.

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          • Markwebbos
            Veterans List
            • Jul 2016
            • 7186

            Originally posted by Meg
            I think Bradshaw did the same with us.
            Bradshaw retired mid-year but (as I understand it) didn?t have another year contracted after the one he was playing.

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            • Meg
              Go Swannies!
              Site Admin
              • Aug 2011
              • 4828

              Originally posted by Ludwig
              As for AJ, I think keeping him on the primary list served some purpose other than loyalty to an injured player. He was almost certainly on a minimum salary for primary list players and took a list spot when we were transitioning through the loss of COLA period. If we dropped him from the list, his spot might have gone to someone requiring a higher salary.
              That?s a fair point Ludwig. But then without AJ the Swans might have promoted one of the rookies earlier (eg Naismith, Newman, Melican) and taken on another rookie who in turn might have turned out to be another Grundy, Smith, Papley. etc. Or they might have taken another lowly draft pick who turned out to be, for example, another Malceski.

              At their worst these options would not have cost more. At their best they would have potentially given us a stronger list than one with AJ on the LTI list for almost 5 years,

              To repeat myself, I?m very happy with the choice the Club made in regard to AJ. But it involved an investment risk which may turn out to be costly if AJ never returns to his 2012 form.

              Just as list management decisions always involve risk, particularly in a sport in which unfortunate and untimely injuries do occur.

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              • Aprilbr
                Senior Player
                • Oct 2016
                • 1803

                I am amused at all of these Collingwood supporters going ballistic at the trading of Murray for a future second round pick. Time will tell of course on who won the deal but it's fun to see the Pies supporters in meltdown. Imagine if the Pies have another bad start to the season with the re-signing of Buckley and these sort of deals. It will be fun to watch in a macabre kind of way.


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                • Markwebbos
                  Veterans List
                  • Jul 2016
                  • 7186

                  When another team loses by 100+ points 2 weeks in a row that feeling is called

                  Schadenfreo

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                  • Blood Fever
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 4050

                    Originally posted by Markwebbos
                    Bradshaw retired mid-year but (as I understand it) didn?t have another year contracted after the one he was playing.
                    Pretty sure he had one year left after the year he retired

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                    • 707
                      Veterans List
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 6204

                      Originally posted by Aprilbr
                      I am amused at all of these Collingwood supporters going ballistic at the trading of Murray for a future second round pick. Time will tell of course on who won the deal but it's fun to see the Pies supporters in meltdown. Imagine if the Pies have another bad start to the season with the re-signing of Buckley and these sort of deals. It will be fun to watch in a macabre kind of way.
                      Don't forget we hold the Pies 2018 second rounder so we will be keeping everything crossed that they are a train wreck in 2018 :-) On a more serious note, I can't make up my mind whether Pies are building or crumbling. The only time they looked any good this year was when the ageing (33 next year) Wells was on the park. Did nothing! in the trade period and only hold picks 6 & 36 of any note in the draft with no second rounder next year. Still have Eddie as Pres and Buckley as coach, bizarre club at present.

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                      • MattW
                        Veterans List
                        • May 2011
                        • 4218

                        Originally posted by Blood Fever
                        Pretty sure he had one year left after the year he retired
                        I don't think so. He was in the second year of a two year contract. Bradshaw retires after stellar career - AFL NSW / ACT

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                        • longmile
                          Crumber
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 3366

                          I agree with afl.com's best starting 22. The only change I'd make is Dawson in for Florent. Naismith could come in for Tippett for a bit more durability but if Tippett hit's form he definitely takes the cake.

                          Best 22: How your club could line up in 2018 - AFL.com.au

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                          • MattW
                            Veterans List
                            • May 2011
                            • 4218

                            Originally posted by longmile
                            I agree with afl.com's best starting 22. The only change I'd make is Dawson in for Florent. Naismith could come in for Tippett for a bit more durability but if Tippett hit's form he definitely takes the cake.

                            Best 22: How your club could line up in 2018 - AFL.com.au
                            Melican is in our best 22. Probably for Aliir, but reckon they should find a way to play both.

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                            • Billericay
                              Regular in the Side
                              • May 2013
                              • 712

                              Originally posted by longmile
                              I agree with afl.com's best starting 22. The only change I'd make is Dawson in for Florent. Naismith could come in for Tippett for a bit more durability but if Tippett hit's form he definitely takes the cake.

                              Best 22: How your club could line up in 2018 - AFL.com.au
                              No spot for Rohan or Melican? I'd have both of them in.

                              Who comes out of the 2017 Swans best 22 to make way in the 2018 version. It's hard to see many obvious candidates given how important Towers becomes as second ruck. I wondered about Hewett makes way for Mills in the midfield? Opens up a spot for Aliir in defence. Smallish quickish forwards we've got a lot to choose from - Rohan, Papley, Hayward, Florent, Jack. Will Jack be making way this year for younger options? Surely Dawson has to get games in 2018.

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                              • Ludwig
                                Veterans List
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9359

                                Melican comes in for McVeigh, who is probably in our best 22, but becomes a depth player in order to let younger players develop. He could become a regular if the kids don't produce.

                                Aliir, Dawson, Hayward and Florent are all potential A grade players who should be given adequate time to prove they can hold down a regular spot in the side. Dawson was held back until his 3rd year, same as Hewett was, and now 2 years later George got to 5th in our B&F. Dawson's 2nd year was better than Hewett's 2nd year and he would have won the NEAFL MVP had he played all the games.

                                I think Towers will be the one to fall out of our best 22, but not by much. Harry Cunningham will also challenge for a spot. I would have Rohan ahead of both of them and it's hard to see him not making the team if he gets through the pre-season unscathed, and it's a big if.

                                With any luck Tippett will be ready to start his pre-season training by round 1 and get into the NEAFL by mid season. Our starting ruckman will be the one not on the Injury List. I could even be Darcy Cameron.

                                It's good to do the best 22 as it highlights why we had a quiet trade period and also how far down the pecking order Sam Murray was, despite having line breaking pace and the potential to become an AFL player.

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