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  • chammond
    • Jan 2003
    • 1368

    So, what exactly is the Swans’ game plan? Other than tackle hard, apply pressure, win the ball, kick it to Franklin? What is this Plan A that is so frustrating?

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    • barry
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 8499

      Our lack of a plan B is probably due to our draft picks (or lack of). Your plan A is built around the strengths of key members of your list. To develop a different plan B, you need to draft in specifically for it. Trying a plan B which doesn't suit your players is unlikely to work.

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      • Agent 86
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2004
        • 1686

        Originally posted by chammond
        So, what exactly is the Swans’ game plan? Other than tackle hard, apply pressure, win the ball, kick it to Franklin? What is this Plan A that is so frustrating?
        IMHO, our best happens when we have a good spread across our goal scorers. Yesterday we had 9.

        When we bomb it in hoping for miracles (or Buddy to grab a bag full) we often look very ordinary and get smashed on the rebounds.

        I don’t think kick it to Buddy is what the coaching panel instruct. That’s just what the so-called experts say is our plan.

        Our lack of depth / hardness / experience & finesse in our midfield has meant the above has often looked like our Strategy.

        We need to recruit to fill this void ASAP.

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        • ugg
          Can you feel it?
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 15961

          Originally posted by chammond
          So, what exactly is the Swans’ game plan? Other than tackle hard, apply pressure, win the ball, kick it to Franklin? What is this Plan A that is so frustrating?
          Based on my own observations and from my limited understanding of game day tactics, the Swans's main plan is to play it safe when coming out of defence. Finding the open man is the main option, and if there isn't one, try and keep the ball and switch if possible. If all else fails, boot it down the line to hopefully set it up for a boundary throw-in or ball up. Avoid going into the corridor with 50-50s because turning the ball over in that area often proves costly.

          Keeping it near the wings means that even if the opposition get the ball from our turnover, they're more likely to be pushed into wider shots at goal.
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          • ernie koala
            Senior Player
            • May 2007
            • 3251

            Originally posted by ScottH
            Hewett is fast becoming an invaluable midfielder.
            Doesn't get the accolades of some of the others, but like Smith, goes about his job, usually does it well and seems to fly under the radar.
            Some of his work yesterday was outstanding, when we were under the pump early in the game.
            +1. He's fast becoming one of the top 'run with' midfielders in the comp.

            No way we win yesterday without him.
            Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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            • mcs
              Travelling Swannie!!
              • Jul 2007
              • 8149

              Originally posted by ernie koala
              +1. He's fast becoming one of the top 'run with' midfielders in the comp.

              No way we win yesterday without him.
              What impressed me yesterday was not the 'run with' part of his game, but the way he was actively playing a key link up role in transitioning the ball in close and around the contests - he seems to have taken huge steps this season towards developing a McVeigh like knack to make it seem almost like players around him are in slow mo, giving himself just that extra bit of time for his decision making.
              "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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              • caj23
                Senior Player
                • Aug 2003
                • 2462

                Originally posted by ugg
                Based on my own observations and from my limited understanding of game day tactics, the Swans's main plan is to play it safe when coming out of defence. Finding the open man is the main option, and if there isn't one, try and keep the ball and switch if possible. If all else fails, boot it down the line to hopefully set it up for a boundary throw-in or ball up. Avoid going into the corridor with 50-50s because turning the ball over in that area often proves costly.

                Keeping it near the wings means that even if the opposition get the ball from our turnover, they're more likely to be pushed into wider shots at goal.
                You've just described the game plan that Malthouse took to Carlton and was heavily criticized as being out of touch with the modern game for it.

                FWIW I think we have been trying to attack the corridor more in recent weeks

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                • Plugger1300
                  Warming the Bench
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 310

                  Originally posted by mcs
                  What impressed me yesterday was not the 'run with' part of his game, but the way he was actively playing a key link up role in transitioning the ball in close and around the contests - he seems to have taken huge steps this season towards developing a McVeigh like knack to make it seem almost like players around him are in slow mo, giving himself just that extra bit of time for his decision making.
                  Very noticeable in the Pies win
                  He was always hitting up down the wings
                  Taking marks on the lead
                  Relieving pressure
                  Haven't rewatched the game but he seemed very positive again with the ball.
                  All throughout this year his first instinct was to go backwards and it thwarted alot of our movement

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                  • Hotpotato
                    Senior Player
                    • Jun 2014
                    • 2261

                    Sometimes I would like some of the back story not of the Swans players who we know quite well without being family friends but of the ‘players’ on this site .
                    We are all Swans avid supporters (I think) but some are more across this remarkable team than others ... like Liz . She remembers fine details of games long gone as do others like it was yesterday.
                    I have a friend called Max who can name the 3 placegetters in every Melbourne Cup ever run .
                    What use is that ? Not a lot .
                    However, he uses it in his self development/motivational talks.


                    Well we are good at something.
                    Glen McGrath reckons he can remember every wicket he took.

                    Anyway , it’s a different thread of course .
                    Sorry to digress. Carry on.

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                    • Agent 86
                      Senior Player
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 1686

                      Originally posted by Hotpotato
                      I have a friend called Max who can name the 3 placegetters in every Melbourne Cup ever run .
                      What use is that ? Not a lot.
                      Very useful on trivia night…

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                      • CureTheSane
                        Carpe Noctem
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 5032

                        Originally posted by chammond
                        So, what exactly is the Swans’ game plan? Other than tackle hard, apply pressure, win the ball, kick it to Franklin? What is this Plan A that is so frustrating?
                        Kicking backwards in defence
                        Kicking sideways in defence.
                        Kicking diagonally sideways/backwards in defence
                        Handballing to a player who is not moving and about to be tackled.
                        Instantly handballing ROTE as soon as possession is taken.
                        Poor vision going forward.
                        Lack of forward genuine leads.
                        Not taking kicks for goal when within the 50m arc.
                        Not pre-empting the opposition drive forward and having a strategy to combat at times.
                        Etc.
                        The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                        • AnnieH
                          RWOs Black Sheep
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 11332

                          Originally posted by CureTheSane
                          Kicking backwards in defence
                          Kicking sideways in defence.
                          Kicking diagonally sideways/backwards in defence
                          Handballing to a player who is not moving and about to be tackled.
                          Instantly handballing ROTE as soon as possession is taken.
                          Poor vision going forward.
                          Lack of forward genuine leads.
                          Not taking kicks for goal when within the 50m arc.
                          Not pre-empting the opposition drive forward and having a strategy to combat at times.
                          Etc.
                          Don't forget playing the man and not the ball.
                          Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                          Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                          • Plugger1300
                            Warming the Bench
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 310

                            Giving away free kicks

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                            • CureTheSane
                              Carpe Noctem
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 5032

                              Yeah I know we are seen here as ALWAYS getting a raw deal from the umpires, but logic dictates that it's not ALL of the umpires who hate the Swans and treat them unfairly.
                              Logic dictates that it's the Swans who are infringing.
                              Something the team really needs to work on.

                              In the Demons game I saw a lot of frees missed for the Swans, and equally as many (if not more) missed for the Dees.
                              The Demon heavy crowd clearly recognised this as well.
                              The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                              • Ludwig
                                Veterans List
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9359

                                Originally posted by CureTheSane
                                Kicking backwards in defence
                                Kicking sideways in defence.
                                Kicking diagonally sideways/backwards in defence

                                Handballing to a player who is not moving and about to be tackled.
                                Instantly handballing ROTE as soon as possession is taken.
                                Poor vision going forward.
                                Lack of forward genuine leads.
                                Not taking kicks for goal when within the 50m arc.
                                Not pre-empting the opposition drive forward and having a strategy to combat at times.
                                Etc.
                                Fantastic. You've solved the problem of our game plan.

                                No wonder why we're always kicking directly to the opposition.

                                If our vision is poor going forward, better to kick backwards and sideways. At least we can see who we're kicking to.

                                The club needs to find a good ophthalmologist to sort out the game plan.

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