2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Mountain Man]

I see that we gave up our 2nd round pick to WCE (and gained from St Kilda their 2nd round).

Presumably the St K deal was for Hannebery; can someone remind me about the WCE transaction.

WCE now have pick 22 to our pick 23.

[liz]

I see that we gave up our 2nd round pick to WCE (and gained from St Kilda their 2nd round).

Presumably the St K deal was for Hannebery; can someone remind me about the WCE transaction.

WCE now have pick 22 to our pick 23.

It was tied up with the mid-draft manoeuvres that parked picks so that we could match the Blakey bid with picks in the 30s, and then traded back in to gain the pick that gave us Rowbottom.

Whether it truly added value is questionable - it seemed a bit like being clever for the sake of it - but I have no complaints about getting Rowbottom. He seems like an exciting prospect.

[sharp9]

It was tied up with the mid-draft manoeuvres that parked picks so that we could match the Blakey bid with picks in the 30s, and then traded back in to gain the pick that gave us Rowbottom.

Whether it truly added value is questionable - it seemed a bit like being clever for the sake of it - but I have no complaints about getting Rowbottom. He seems like an exciting prospect.

It was a great manoeuvre....we got Rowbottom instead of a pick in the late 30s

[Captain]

AFL website reporting that Jones is on his way to St Kilda.

As with any of these, who knows whether it will actually happen.

If it does, what would we expect in return, given they have #5 and #55? Maybe their pick #5 for our pick #23 and Jones?

[707]

AFL website reporting that Jones is on his way to St Kilda.

As with any of these, who knows whether it will actually happen.

If it does, what would we expect in return, given they have #5 and #55? Maybe their pick #5 for our pick #23 and Jones?

They'll need pick 5 to secure Brad Hill who is also supposedly "locked" into a trade to Saints.

It will probably have to be a 2020 pick and we know how tricky that is trying to work out where the Saints may finish. 2020 complications for us with Campbell and Gulden likely academy picks.

[Ralph Dawg]

So 2019 is officially done and dusted - time to move forward.

We have 49 on our list, need to eventually end up with around 44. 5 retirements take us to 44. O'Connor will come in as a Cat B which we may elect to carry outside the main list. With the supposed departures of Jones and Cameron, takes our list to 42. My guess would be we would want to trade / draft in 6-8 new players, so as a minimum, will need to shed another 4-6. The big question is who do we let go?

My first 2 are Fox and Rose. Both are NEAFL stars who have had ample opportunity to prove they can become AFL players for us. I think it is now clear that they are fringe players at best.

I previously stated I would delist Tucker and I stand by that. I worry about young guys who are already busted. Has not played a game for us, done new injuries to his leg post ACL recon - wouldn't be surprised if this is the pattern of his future career. Makes me think that his recon has not been successful. For similar reasons I say not to take Bennell.

Amartey had done some good things in the NEAFL. But I just don't know where his best position is. Not quite tall enough to ruck, too dodgy a set shot to become a KPF and now being run in defence where he's being over shadowed by Pink. I would delist.

If Knoll has not been re-signed already, I would delist. Has not shown enough to suggest will become AFL standard. He is clearly behind Naismith, Sinclair, Cameron, McLean, Aliir and Reid.

I would understand if the club moved on Maibaum, Menzel and Thurlow. Of the 3, Thurlow would be my choice to delist if he's not signed up for 2020. I think it's pretty clear he is a fringe player at best and unlikely to be ever be in our best 22 outside of an injury crisis.

[Aprilbr]

Melbourne reporters continue to maintain that Papley will be off to Carlton next year. I don't see why this will happen given how long he has left on his current contract and that he is very much a required player. They would have to give up a lot to entice us to trade him. Tell Papley to suck it in and work out ways for him to see his girlfriend more.

In terms of Zac Jones, he is probably worth the equivalent of an early second round pick. How that would be packaged remains to be seen.

Those de-listings mentioned seem pretty spot on to me. There is always the possibility that one or two could be delisted but then re-contracted later. A lot of clubs do that. Watching the NEAFL game yesterday, we have a lot of raw youngsters at present. A bit to work with there (Bell, Wicks, McInerny) but compared to the Lions there is little depth.

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[Ralph Dawg]

Melbourne reporters continue to maintain that Papley will be off to Carlton next year. I don't see why this will happen given how long he has left on his current contract and that he is very much a required player. They would have to give up a lot to entice us to trade him. Tell Papley to suck it in and work out ways for him to see his girlfriend more.

In terms of Zac Jones, he is probably worth the equivalent of an early second round pick. How that would be packaged remains to be seen.

Those de-listings mentioned seem pretty spot on to me. There is always the possibility that one or two could be delisted but then re-contracted later. A lot of clubs do that. Watching the NEAFL game yesterday, we have a lot of raw youngsters at present. A bit to work with there (Bell, Wicks, McInerny) but compared to the Lions there is little depth.

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All this chatter around both Papley and Daniher suggests that there could be some sort of deal going on to get Paps back to Melbourne (not necessarily direct to Essendon though) and Daniher to us.

[waswan]

They need to bite the bullet with Jones
5yrs 3 Mil
600k a year in 2 yrs wont be much for a midfielder in his prime

[sharp9]

Jones was worth pick #15 when he was 18. I reckon he’s developed a bit since then, aye? 2nd round pick? #shakeshead

[waswan]

Im with you, anything outside the Top 7 or 8 is overrated, like Lotto and a 3 year minimum pay off if at all

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Jones was worth pick #15 when he was 18. I reckon he’s developed a bit since then, aye? 2nd round pick? #shakeshead

I agree, just because Jones has become a bit of a RWO whipping boy - it most definitely doesn't mean he's not a valuable player either in red and white (or elsewhere)

[barracuda]

So 2019 is officially done and dusted - time to move forward.

We have 49 on our list, need to eventually end up with around 44. 5 retirements take us to 44. O'Connor will come in as a Cat B which we may elect to carry outside the main list. With the supposed departures of Jones and Cameron, takes our list to 42. My guess would be we would want to trade / draft in 6-8 new players, so as a minimum, will need to shed another 4-6. The big question is who do we let go?

My first 2 are Fox and Rose. Both are NEAFL stars who have had ample opportunity to prove they can become AFL players for us. I think it is now clear that they are fringe players at best.

I previously stated I would delist Tucker and I stand by that. I worry about young guys who are already busted. Has not played a game for us, done new injuries to his leg post ACL recon - wouldn't be surprised if this is the pattern of his future career. Makes me think that his recon has not been successful. For similar reasons I say not to take Bennell.

Amartey had done some good things in the NEAFL. But I just don't know where his best position is. Not quite tall enough to ruck, too dodgy a set shot to become a KPF and now being run in defence where he's being over shadowed by Pink. I would delist.

If Knoll has not been re-signed already, I would delist. Has not shown enough to suggest will become AFL standard. He is clearly behind Naismith, Sinclair, Cameron, McLean, Aliir and Reid.

I would understand if the club moved on Maibaum, Menzel and Thurlow. Of the 3, Thurlow would be my choice to delist if he's not signed up for 2020. I think it's pretty clear he is a fringe player at best and unlikely to be ever be in our best 22 outside of an injury crisis.

Pretty good analysis

[bloodspirit]

So 2019 is officially done and dusted - time to move forward.

We have 49 on our list, need to eventually end up with around 44. 5 retirements take us to 44. O'Connor will come in as a Cat B which we may elect to carry outside the main list. With the supposed departures of Jones and Cameron, takes our list to 42. My guess would be we would want to trade / draft in 6-8 new players, so as a minimum, will need to shed another 4-6. The big question is who do we let go?

My first 2 are Fox and Rose. Both are NEAFL stars who have had ample opportunity to prove they can become AFL players for us. I think it is now clear that they are fringe players at best.

I previously stated I would delist Tucker and I stand by that. I worry about young guys who are already busted. Has not played a game for us, done new injuries to his leg post ACL recon - wouldn't be surprised if this is the pattern of his future career. Makes me think that his recon has not been successful. For similar reasons I say not to take Bennell.

Amartey had done some good things in the NEAFL. But I just don't know where his best position is. Not quite tall enough to ruck, too dodgy a set shot to become a KPF and now being run in defence where he's being over shadowed by Pink. I would delist.

If Knoll has not been re-signed already, I would delist. Has not shown enough to suggest will become AFL standard. He is clearly behind Naismith, Sinclair, Cameron, McLean, Aliir and Reid.

I would understand if the club moved on Maibaum, Menzel and Thurlow. Of the 3, Thurlow would be my choice to delist if he's not signed up for 2020. I think it's pretty clear he is a fringe player at best and unlikely to be ever be in our best 22 outside of an injury crisis.

Great post - facing reality in terms of what we need to consider with delistings, which is hard.

Pretty sure Thurlow is contracted next year - otherwise delisting him would be a no brainer. Reports suggest Knoll is contracted for next year. He is a cheap project and is new to footy, coming from basketball. Between KB and Cox etc., I trust them to be well placed to assess whether he has the potential to play AFL going forward. Even if he isn't ready yet he may be showing strong signs that he will get there.

Trading in Nicholls if we trade out Cameron seems a good plan. The advantage being that Nicholls is a pure ruck which seems better if we are going to be continuing with a single ruck strategy. Plus Nicholls will not be expensive. However, would he be interested if he will be stuck behind Naismith and Sinclair instead of just Witts? I guess he wouldn't be coming to a better club with more prospects of playing in a winning team.

Will be interesting to see how Saints will be pay for Jones if we are trading him there. 2020 second rounder wouldn't be enough for my liking and they don't have a lot of other currency. Maybe their 2020 2nd and 3rd round picks with a 4th rounder going back their way in a year we need points? Would we consider a swap involving Carlisle?? This would necessitate them covering part of his salary for his existing contract. Could fill our need for a KPD who is a proven performer, albeit not one who has entirely lived up to his potential.

Re: Daniher - I'm assuming this is off the table for this year. Hopefully this means we can get him free of trade cost down the track.

[bloodspirit]

Fresh article suggesting the Blues are very keen on still coming for Papley: Blues not on "same page" with trade targets: Edmund . I hope we keep him but at least we know we should be getting top dollar if he goes. I guess that's pick 8 or whatever. Probably fair. But I wonder if they're willing to stump up that much for him. I would prefer we keep him - Papley is exactly what we need. Why take a pick that gives us the potential to develop a replacement down the track when we can have the real deal, at the right age, with established relationships and connections to the club, right now?