2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Ralph Dawg]

Yeh, that is where I think our focus of the list 'rebuild' has been on. Trying to keep enough experienced players around to still remain relevant and competitive, while trying to build a 'golden generation' from below. A few of our older guys have arguably dropped off much quicker then expected, so the transition is tougher than would have been hope. But come 2021-22, if we can keep the core that we are building now, and fill some gaps - there is going to be a very good football team potentially to be watched.

Brisbane is a perfect example of how some patience (and in their case the end of a long period of poaching and bleeding of quality players) can reap dividends when a group of players develop together and hit the 'peak period' together. I hope we will see much the same in around 2021 or 2022.

Brisbane are actually the example of how to become successful quickly. They hit rock bottom 2016, continually losing top draft picks to the go home factor. The also made some bad trading decisions (Fevola).
Come 2017, Fagan and Noble are appointed. They sign established players to compliment their high draft picks, country lads with their mates who are unlikely to want to go to Melbourne. They let go players who statistically were good (Rockliff and Reddan) - brave decision for a struggling side, knowing that these guys will not get them up the table. Come 2019, they recognise that to unlock their outside run, they need some real ball winning grunt and sign Neale and Lyons. Now they are finals bound.
We can do the same, just need to show the same decision making as Noble and Fagan.

[troyjones2525]

how can u say Lloyds efficiency is high, turns the ball over consistently

His disposal efficiency is 81%. I would think that would be one of the highest going round, even if he does turn it over occasionally.

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[troyjones2525]

Charlie Constable would be a huge get for us, not that I think we will get him or Geelong will let him go cheaply (even though he's not playing ATM).

It's always a sellers market in these situations and if a team is high on a young opposition talent then clubs usually try and make you pay overs to get them, and I don't think we'll want to part with any reasonably high draft picks that they would no doubt demand!

I think we will focus on drafting a few quality talents, possibly trying to trade up to gain a few more higher picks if possible as it seems like a pretty deep draft in the first 20 to 25 picks.

If we could get Constable then great, as I think he has some real potential to become a future gun like JPK did when given a shot at another club, but I don't want to get my hopes up like I did last off season with all our failed attempts at landing opposition talent!


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[KSAS]

According to Andy Mahr on SEN this afternoon, Buddy's remaining 3 years in his contract is worth $3.9m. 2020 1.5m, 2021 1.4m and 2022 1m. Does that sound right? I thought Buddy had already passed the 1.5m years in his contract?

Whisper tonight on SEN is that Congilio will most likely sign with Carlton.

[Mel_C]

According to Andy Mahr on SEN this afternoon, Buddy's remaining 3 years in his contract is worth $3.9m. 2020 1.5m, 2021 1.4m and 2022 1m. Does that sound right? I thought Buddy had already passed the 1.5m years in his contract?

Whisper tonight on SEN is that Congilio will most likely sign with Carlton.

When I first read this I thought it said we were paying Buddy $3.9m in 2020 and I nearly had a heart attack!!

[S.S. Bleeder]

According to Andy Mahr on SEN this afternoon, Buddy's remaining 3 years in his contract is worth $3.9m. 2020 1.5m, 2021 1.4m and 2022 1m. Does that sound right? I thought Buddy had already passed the 1.5m years in his contract?

Whisper tonight on SEN is that Congilio will most likely sign with Carlton.

My understanding of the Buddy contract is that it was;
$700K
$700K
$1.2M
$1.2M
$1.2M
$1.3M
$1.4M
$1.5M
$1.0M

Making 2021 his most expensive year.

[707]

Andy Maher is wrong, the exact $ in buddy's contract are well know as Hawks leaked them to the media when choosing not to match. Last year 2022 is only $500k

Cogs to Carlton would be joyous, Hawks supporters on BF thread have been insufferable about getting him.

[mattybloods]

That's an excellent example of how we can become a serious competitor for the flag. We could see last year that they had a lot good young players. Then they land Neale and Charlie Cameron, 2 players that can rocket a team up the ladder in short order. That could be us next year.

Brisbane traded in Lachie Neale, Charlie Cameron, Jarryd Lyons, Lincoln McCarthy and Marcus Adams last year. All are in their best 22. If we can pick up 5 best 22 players next year we'll definitely see improvement!

Correction Cameron was the year before. But still!

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[liz]

Brisbane traded in Lachie Neale, Charlie Cameron, Jarryd Lyons, Lincoln McCarthy and Marcus Adams last year. All are in their best 22. If we can pick up 5 best 22 players next year we'll definitely see improvement!

Correction Cameron was the year before. But still!

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They also had a lot of salary cap capacity - more than we almost certainly have - and good draft currency, aided by trading out Beams to Collingwood at a trade value probably driven more by sentiment (on Collingwood's part) than pragmatics.

[Cosmic Wizard]

Charlie Constable would be a huge get for us, not that I think we will get him or Geelong will let him go cheaply (even though he's not playing ATM).

It's always a sellers market in these situations and if a team is high on a young opposition talent then clubs usually try and make you pay overs to get them, and I don't think we'll want to part with any reasonably high draft picks that they would no doubt demand!

I think we will focus on drafting a few quality talents, possibly trying to trade up to gain a few more higher picks if possible as it seems like a pretty deep draft in the first 20 to 25 picks.

If we could get Constable then great, as I think he has some real potential to become a future gun like JPK did when given a shot at another club, but I don't want to get my hopes up like I did last off season with all our failed attempts at landing opposition talent!


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Constable want out from the Cats for more senior game time.

He is stuck behind a long line of good players.

Don't see the cat objecting to much as the trade for Kelly will provide them with a massive payday.

A third round should do it.

[rb4x]

We should make a play for Preuss who cannot get start in the rabble that we played last night.

[707]

Still holding pick 4.

Only North can fall below us but they have the hapless Melbourne next week so can't see any change to pick 4 unless the AFL give Gold Coast a pre draft pick so they get good mates Rowell & Anderson at 1 & 2 to lessen the go home factor.

If we do have pick four, fairly clear that Rowell & Anderson are the top two then Crows have pick 3, they desperately need run so would choose accordingly meaning we can choose the next best inside mid after the top two, that being GWS's Green :-)

[Melbourne_Blood]

We should make a play for Preuss who cannot get start in the rabble that we played last night.

I agree , Ceglar also might be one we could get , no star but solid enough .


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[KSAS]

Would like to see us trade in Aaron Francis (KPD) and Charlie Constable (inside mid) who are both at contract's end and wouldn't cost us much in trade picks. We desperately need a ruckman like Pruess, but he is contracted till end of 2021 and will require us to pay overs to lure him which is too risky imo. Sier (inside mid) was on the verge re-signing with the Pies which is now in doubt after his basketball escapade this week. Despite this, still think he's worth pursuing.

So Francis, Constable & Sier are get able likes for me. Pruess is an unlikely get able (unfortunately).

[Markwebbos]

I’m jumping off the Sier train after the way the club has talked about his attitude, fitness etc this week.

Constable yes. Think Francis won’t come cheap as he was a pick 9. Not convinced about him.