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  • bloodspirit
    Clubman
    • Apr 2015
    • 4448

    Originally posted by Ludwig
    Will Brodie just signed for 3 more years. Sier wants to stay at Collingwood, and despite the basketball incident, I think the Pies will want to keep him.
    That was my point. We had been wondering whether they might be worth recruiting but now it looks like they're unavailable and our minds turn elsewhere. Not sure if I was clear, and if you understood me, or not.
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    • S.S. Bleeder
      Senior Player
      • Sep 2014
      • 2165

      Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
      I’d be happy with that.


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      I wouldn't. Gawn will be 28 next year which is approaching ruckman retirement years and we'd be giving up a 26YO who is our best player and a 24YO who's playing style we desperately need. We don't need the best ruckman in the league, just a decent one.

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      • neilfws
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2009
        • 1819

        The Age reports that Daisy Thomas' retirement is likely to be in part due to potential salary squeeze next season. They reckon Carlton are after Coniglio, Brandon Ellis and - Tom Papley.

        Hope it ain't so and if it is, he won't go.

        Daisy to retire from Carlton, and most likely football

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        • ugg
          Can you feel it?
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 15963

          I think we need an inside midfielder more urgently than any other position in the coming years. With that in mind, I would have a good go at Charlie Constable from Geelong who can’t break into their star-studded midfield despite playing well earlier in the year as well as consistently positing good numbers in the VFL
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          • Markwebbos
            Veterans List
            • Jul 2016
            • 7186

            Originally posted by ugg
            I think we need an inside midfielder more urgently than any other position in the coming years. With that in mind, I would have a good go at Charlie Constable from Geelong who can’t break into their star-studded midfield despite playing well earlier in the year as well as consistently positing good numbers in the VFL
            He's a 20 year old, 191cm inside mid with "good hands" and he's on the trade table allegedly. Sen says (re a possible trade for Jack Steven):

            "If a trade is forthcoming, Geelong youngster Constable could seek a move in the opposite direction amid reported frustration with a lack of opportunities at senior level."

            Oh and he had 41 disposals, 2 goals on the weekend.

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            • bloodspirit
              Clubman
              • Apr 2015
              • 4448

              Originally posted by ugg
              I think we need an inside midfielder more urgently than any other position in the coming years. With that in mind, I would have a good go at Charlie Constable from Geelong who can’t break into their star-studded midfield despite playing well earlier in the year as well as consistently positing good numbers in the VFL
              Great suggestion. Although if we rate him, why didn't we draft him? I recall him being a significant draft slider.

              Also agree again with SS re Gawn trade.
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              • troyjones2525
                Swans Fanatic!
                • Mar 2008
                • 2908

                Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
                GC Suns looking for some experience. Assuming the AFL comes to the party, GC likely to hold picks 1 and 2. What are everyone's thoughts on:
                a) likelihood of them giving up 2 for Lloyd, keeping in mind they have expressed interest in Jake last year
                b) would he be worth trading for pick 2?
                I wouldn't contemplate anything less from them and don't want any of their players that they would put up for trade (no way they would give up Rankine, Lukosius, King).
                Absolutely no chance. They will get pick 1 & 2 and use them on Rowell and Anderson, 2 great mates.

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                • troyjones2525
                  Swans Fanatic!
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 2908

                  Originally posted by liz
                  Would anyone on here contemplate trading pick 4 or 5 (or whatever we land up with) for Lloyd if he played for another club?
                  Absolutely not, and neither will any other team...

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                  • royboy42
                    Senior Player
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 2076

                    Originally posted by bloodspirit
                    Completely agree. Excellent points.

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                    Nico, I think you and Melbourne_Blood are coming at it from opposite ends, not in agreement.

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                    Incidentally Nico, what can you tell us about Polly Farmer? Did you ever see him play?
                    Dad was a Maggie barracked and saw Polly v them. A couple of weeks later, Geelong played Carlton atPrinces park. He made me go with him to see Poll v Nicholls. Said you’ll never see something like this again. And I never have. He missed a Maggie game and I missed a Roy’s game. Worth it. Awesome.

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                    • waswan
                      Senior Player
                      • Oct 2015
                      • 2047

                      Resigning Jones and extending Papley has to be priority
                      Doesnt appear to be anyone else easily available without giving up much and everything we have to give up is approaching maximium reward in the next few years

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                      • troyjones2525
                        Swans Fanatic!
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 2908

                        Originally posted by Ludwig
                        I think Lloyd is worth a 5-10 first rounder, at least. Metres gained leader in the AFL, also #1 in kicks and #3 in disposals. Statistically, he's just about the best player in the league. He's incredibly consistent and rarely injured. Best and fairest winner last year. He's likely entering the peak years of his career at 25 yo. It's hard to ask for more. Some of the criticism of Lloyd on RWO is farcical.
                        Ludwig, Lloyd is fantastic for a Supercoach perspective as his efficiency is high and he racks up plenty of uncontested kicks. But the reality is that it's pretty obvious most opposition coaches don't rate Lloyd as a damaging player as they don't even bother to put anyone next to him to try and slow him down.

                        Lloyd almost always takes the slow and easy option, hence why his efficiency his so high! He looks for a short kick to a player on his own mostly sideways.

                        I would much rather a player who has a bit lower efficiency percentage due to trying to take the game on with quick and attacking play, trying to kick in board to a player that can play on... but hey, just my opinion.

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                        • Markwebbos
                          Veterans List
                          • Jul 2016
                          • 7186

                          North’s Mason Wood May be on the trade table. Thoughts?

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                          • Melbourne_Blood
                            Senior Player
                            • May 2010
                            • 3312

                            Originally posted by Markwebbos
                            North’s Mason Wood May be on the trade table. Thoughts?
                            Too injury prone , debuted 6 seasons ago and has only managed 56 games . Pass .


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                            • lwjoyner
                              Regular in the Side
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 942

                              how can u say Lloyds efficiency is high, turns the ball over consistently

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                              • Melbourne_Blood
                                Senior Player
                                • May 2010
                                • 3312

                                2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

                                Originally posted by lwjoyner
                                how can u say Lloyds efficiency is high, turns the ball over consistently
                                Statistically it is high . More often than not he hits targets . The one or two howlers a game just seem to be so horrendous they stick in the mind .

                                Efficiency doesn’t necessarily equate to effectiveness though . His kicks to a man hard on the boundary in the back pocket are a good example .

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