2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Melbourne_Blood]

Would anyone on here contemplate trading pick 4 or 5 (or whatever we land up with) for Lloyd if he played for another club?

Absolutely not , pick 2 for Lloyd is a pipe dream . I know they gave up pick 2 for Weller but surely they aren’t going to make a silly move like that again .


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[Ralph Dawg]

Would anyone on here contemplate trading pick 4 or 5 (or whatever we land up with) for Lloyd if he played for another club?

I would for the reasons listed by blood spirit! I think a proven top liner in his 20s is more of a guarantee then a player taken at 4 or 5. Plus we need the experience given our retirements. BUT we need midfielders and that's where getting 2 would be great in that we could trade that for an established mid or use it to get a potential gun. What a dilemma!

[bloodspirit]

Would anyone on here contemplate trading pick 4 or 5 (or whatever we land up with) for Lloyd if he played for another club?

I would. Although that's assuming we didn't already have Lloyd. Would certainly be happy to do it for some equivalently talented, experienced and aged player.

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Preferably an inside midfielder.

[Mr Magoo]

I would. Although that's assuming we didn't already have Lloyd. Would certainly be happy to do it for some equivalently talented, experienced and aged player.

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Preferably an inside midfielder.

I definitely would give up pick 4/5 for an equivalent player at another club. This year is one for me in that we can afford to trade away a pick but I would ask in return say a second rounder for next year to allow us to have a reasonable cache of points to ensure we dont give up too much for the academy guys that are likely to go higher next year.

[KTigers]

I'm surprised there is so much support for trading this pick. We have waited years to get a pick like this. Why not use it
and build our own Josh Kelly or Patrick Cripps out of it, and get 200 plus games out of them.

[Ludwig]

I would. Although that's assuming we didn't already have Lloyd. Would certainly be happy to do it for some equivalently talented, experienced and aged player.

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Preferably an inside midfielder.

I think Lloyd is worth a 5-10 first rounder, at least. Metres gained leader in the AFL, also #1 in kicks and #3 in disposals. Statistically, he's just about the best player in the league. He's incredibly consistent and rarely injured. Best and fairest winner last year. He's likely entering the peak years of his career at 25 yo. It's hard to ask for more. Some of the criticism of Lloyd on RWO is farcical.

[Ludwig]

I'm surprised there is so much support for trading this pick. We have waited years to get a pick like this. Why not use it
and build our own Josh Kelly or Patrick Cripps out of it, and get 200 plus games out of them.

I agree. Since going primarily to the draft to build our list, we've been adding about 3 200-game players (my projection) a year. Why wouldn't we just continue with the list building strategy? With the picks we have this year, our chances of getting another 3 quality long term players looks good, and next year is also promising with 2 highly rated academy players.

There's still plenty to play out this year, but at this point I'd be looking at trying to get Tom Cutler for Darcy Cameron, either directly or via 2 separate trades.

I think Rose will be delisted, but believe he will find a rookie spot on another list. He's a good chance to become one of those players that finds AFL form somewhere else. Pity to lose our best NEAFL player. Usually they make the grade.

I don't think we should focus too much on replacing existing players with similar players, e.g. Josh Kennedy. The nature of our list has changed a lot. Once the young group of players gets settled in, which may still take a few years, we should be one of the quickest sides in the AFL and are likely to play a game style more suited to the talent on board. It's going to be different from the game style that won us our last 2 premierships.

The poor results this year should not detract from the direction the club is taking. We don't need to make drastic changes. I think we are on the right course. We are just impatient because we're not used to being out of finals.

[bloodspirit]

I'm not arguing for trading out our pick - I'm excited about drafting a top young player - but nor am I opposed to the idea. We already have a lot of talented youth and we are lacking in players to have played 100+ games. Also, when drafting, it is more of a gamble than with proven talent. That is why clubs pay multiple first round draft picks for players and why other clubs target recruiting via trade to a substantial degree (like the Swans under Roos and the Hawks these past many years). There is more than one way to skin a cat.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Would anyone on here contemplate trading pick 4 or 5 (or whatever we land up with) for Lloyd if he played for another club?

Hmm. Probably not. He's good and our best player but not as important as a KPF or an elite midfielder for example.

[S.S. Bleeder]

I'm not arguing for trading out our pick - I'm excited about drafting a top young player - but nor am I opposed to the idea. We already have a lot of talented youth and we are lacking in players to have played 100+ games. Also, when drafting, it is more of a gamble than with proven talent. That is why clubs pay multiple first round draft picks for players and why other clubs target recruiting via trade to a substantial degree (like the Swans under Roos and the Hawks these past many years). There is more than one way to skin a cat.

We also need to be careful not to have too many very good players at a similar age. When they hit their prime in their early to mid 20's we'll have trouble fitting them in our cap. We also need to experienced and mature heads to provide guidance to the younger players. GCS and GWS have paid a price for not having those leaders.

[Nico]

Absolutely not , pick 2 for Lloyd is a pipe dream . I know they gave up pick 2 for Weller but surely they aren’t going to make a silly move like that again .


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I too get frustrated at times with Jake's twice a game short pass to the opposition, but the club is not going to trade a top 5 player at the club who gets 30+ stats a game, is probably on target to win the B&F, and is still contracted. Does a pick 2 guarantee a gun first year player? Rankine has hardly been on the park.
I would be really disturbed if we went for recycled players again. The Clarke, Thurlow, Menzel punt has been pretty much a failure with Thurlow looking a bird to be delisted. Too me the rebuild with youth has to continue. We have got it right with the rookie list over the years with younger players. As Ludwig says we have a good bunch of younger players coming through but I think it may take us a few years to re-emerge.

[Mr Magoo]

I'm not arguing for trading out our pick - I'm excited about drafting a top young player - but nor am I opposed to the idea. We already have a lot of talented youth and we are lacking in players to have played 100+ games. Also, when drafting, it is more of a gamble than with proven talent. That is why clubs pay multiple first round draft picks for players and why other clubs target recruiting via trade to a substantial degree (like the Swans under Roos and the Hawks these past many years). There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Agreed , Im not saying we should definitely trade it away but for me its a balanced view that should the right opportunity come along I would rather take a proven top liner than an unproven potentially good player.

I dont believe that just going to the draft year after year is a proven avenue to success. I believe you trade when it works and you draft when it works. If you were to look at proven success for us , it had a mix of those two things in it.

[Markwebbos]

The key to any Jake Lloyd trade would be that he wants to play for them. I remember Hawthorn trying to swap players for the Jaeger bomb a few years back and no one wanted to go.

If it did happen, I wondered if GCS would want to give us pick 2 and receive something back In return? We could swap our pick 4/5 for two lower 1st rounders, send one to GCS and have another live pick?

[Nico]

Funny how last year people were biting their nails waiting for us to re-sign Lloyd. Now it's trade Lloyd time.

Has Jones re-signed yet?

[bloodspirit]

We also need to be careful not to have too many very good players at a similar age. When they hit their prime in their early to mid 20's we'll have trouble fitting them in our cap. We also need to experienced and mature heads to provide guidance to the younger players.

Completely agree. Excellent points.

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Nico, I think you and Melbourne_Blood are coming at it from opposite ends, not in agreement.

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Incidentally Nico, what can you tell us about Polly Farmer? Did you ever see him play?