2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[caj23]

Monday is the deadline for clubs to free up spots to take part in the mid season draft. The picking order is as always ladder reverse so we are nicely placed at present to have a top pick if we choose to participate, Tippett and Maibaum gives us two picks.

Jye Bolton/Mitchell Grigg please, mature mids who can make an immediate impact

[707]

We've already filled one of those spots (with Hayden McLean).

Oops, out of sight, out of mind! Make that ONE potential pick, if we choose to :-)

Anyone know how the recent Irish lad went?

[S.S. Bleeder]

I was thinking the same, how the Melbourne clubs have robbed the northern clubs blind. Like Hawthorne getting Scully, O'Meara and Scrimshaw.

Collingwood got: Taylor Adams, James Aish, Beams, Crisp, Hoskin-Elliot and Treloar.
Essendon got: Saad, Shiel and Devon Smith.

It makes things a lot easier when you can get access to so many good players.

We can't complain too much. We got Buddy and a lot of very good players from other clubs before that. But that was the end of it for us for 6 years. And we haven't gone after players from the other northern clubs. I think it's time to get going again in the post season. Hopefully we have a good base with our drafted players and we just have to fill a couple of gaps to make us contenders again.

In addition, they've been able to trade bring them in for a much lower draft pick (or trade in some cases) than what they are worth, and they've recruited those players on lower $ contracts that what an interstate club, or the original club, would have had to pay.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Listening to the Age AFL podcast. Last year Tim Kelly wanted to be traded back West but refused to be traded to Freo. This week, apparently his manager was touring their facilities.

Which demonstrates that players are primarily motivated by success, which would make the current Swans a lot less appealing than the 2016 or even 2018 version.

Caroline Wilson has a bee in her bonnet that the Swans not a happy club right now, which would make sense on one level simply because we’re losing. She implied it goes deeper than that.

She said Gary Rohan had said his last year was like “walking on eggshells”

See there have been suggestions in both the Age and Hun that we swap coaches with North. They get Longmire and we get Scott!

I'd be happy with that. Both the Scotts are better coaches under the current style.

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Absolutely agree. All these quality high draft picks jumping ship and not 1 were ever linked to or close to coming to us.

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That's because they're all from Victoria and want to go home. This is why the clubs in non-AFL locations need a retention allowance (ie COLA).

[Markwebbos]

That's because they're all from Victoria and want to go home. This is why the clubs in non-AFL locations need a retention allowance (ie COLA).

Two words - Stephen Coniglio.

He's from Perth (as is Jaeger O'Meara). I think getting to play at the MCG in front of 90,000 during the H&A season is another big draw for players who are playing in front of 15-20k at Metricon / Gabba / Spotless.

It did work in our favour with Buddy. Some players do want to get away from that sort of attention.

[707]

Two words - Stephen Coniglio.

He's from Perth (as is Jaeger O'Meara). I think getting to play at the MCG in front of 90,000 during the H&A season is another big draw for players who are playing in front of 15-20k at Metricon / Gabba / Spotless.

It did work in our favour with Buddy. Some players do want to get away from that sort of attention.

Didn't Shiel recently say playing at Spotless was like playing in a graveyard?

If you're certain to be getting games then the attraction of huge crowds weekly must be a consideration when choosing a destination. Vic clubs also have much less travel load.

[Auntie.Gerald]

I’m wondering our options Re trading and picks?

We will have st kildas 2nd round pick that could be in the range of pick 20-28

Plus we will have a top8 pick most likely and another second round pick which may provide a chance to go hard for a key player who can’t be matched for $ and wants to stay in Sydney or move here ? Plus potentially do a hawthorn and use a first round or second round pick for the next year ?

Money freeing up ?

Macca
Grundy
Jack
Reid ?

Smith will stay on a smaller contract is my guess with his age and injury and speed slowing not great timing for him ......plus young guys getting some game time in 2019 but smithy at his best is important

Clarke and Thurlow I wonder if they signed for one year or two ?

Menzel - only one year but if injury free he is important

[707]

I’m wondering our options Re trading and picks?

We will have st kildas 2nd round pick that could be in the range of pick 20-28

Plus we will have a top8 pick most likely and another second round pick which may provide a chance to go hard for a key player who can’t be matched for $ and wants to stay in Sydney or move here ? Plus potentially do a hawthorn and use a first round or second round pick for the next year ?.........

Not quite right, I posted a couple of pages back, we currently have
Pick 3, our first
pick 35, St.Kilda second, should go higher as they are currently 2nd which is hard to see them maintaining
pick 39, our third
pick 47, WCE third, could drift as they should finish better than 8th
pick 57, our fourth
pick 58, Carlton 4th

[Aprilbr]

Agreed. Midfielders are our priority for the next draft.

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[chalbilto]

A ball winning "bull" midfielder should be the top priority in the next draft as. Kennedy cannot go on forever.

[liz]

A ball winning "bull" midfielder should be the top priority in the next draft as. Kennedy cannot go on forever.

The two who seem favoured for first couple of draft spots this year are inside mids. Rowell was mighty impressive in the U17 game played a day before last year's GF - a standout BOG - as a bullocking inside mid. I don't think I've seen Noah Anderson play (I can't recall if he was injured for that U17 game or if I just didn't notice him) but he's described as a bit taller(>190cm) and with the ability to go forward - sounds like more of a Bont type, maybe.

There is a third inside mid who has BF/ESPN's Knightmare excited - he rates him top three, though other draft watchers don't seem quite as excited about him, and KM is prone to a bit of hyperbole at times. It's Tom Green who probably won't be available to anyone other than the Giants, as he's in their academy. He played in the NAB League game that our boys played against GWS's academy a few weeks ago. He was their top possession getter but I don't recall myself drooling particularly over anything he did.

I guess we'd need to finish in the bottom couple to have a access to either Anderson or Rowell. It's not beyond the realms of possibility, given the current ladder, but I expect we'll get a little better as the year wears on and eke out a few wins against sides (unless we lose Franklin, or Rampe, or Kennedy to long term injury).

Speaking of GWS, if we want to improve the inside mid depth at low trade cost, we might have a nibble at Nicholas Shipley. He played a couple of AFL games either last season or the year before and I thought he equipped himself quite well. Along with Aiden Bonar, he did his best to keep their NEAFL side in the game yesterday. I doubt he's ever going to become a superstar but he could well have the ability to be a solid part of a functioning midfield brigade. But at GWS I can't see how he's going to get a look it. They already have Hopper, Ward (albeit injured and the only of their important inside players approaching 30 years old), Coniglio, and Taranto, plus the highly rated Jye Caldwell and Jackson Hately who they drafted last year. Then there's Aiden Bonar, who's probably ahead of Shipley, and Tom Green likely to be added at the end of this year.

Bonar might be gettable by another club too, given he's not getting senior games and he probably would be if he played for pretty much any other club. But I suspect lots of clubs will be eyeing him off, and GWS will be loathe to let him go cheaply. As a Victorian, he might well want to go back "home" and he'll have lots of clubs to choose from. Shipley, on the other hand, is a local NSW boy - a western Sydney boy at that. So it may appeal to him to do the unthinkable and cross from the Giants to the Swans. He's a good size for an inside mid (188cm) and knows how to tackle. He can get on the outside too - he's not just an in-and-under player. I wouldn't describe him as quick, but he's probably a little pacier than the likes of Kennedy and Parker.

[Rod_]

I noted that Hayden McLean was wearing a knee brace on Saturday when I watched the reserves play at Blacktown.

Any ideas how long he has been injured or will be off line for? (or if he can be replaced if needed if long term?)

[liz]

I noted that Hayden McLean was wearing a knee brace on Saturday when I watched the reserves play at Blacktown.

Any ideas how long he has been injured or will be off line for? (or if he can be replaced if needed if long term?)

He missed last week's NEAFL game (injured) but played the week before (and played strongly, especially in the second half). So either he was injured very late in that NEAFL game two weeks ago, or he injured himself at training (or tripped over something in the Moore Park precinct).

I haven't read anything about what the nature of the injury is, or the prognosis.

[stevoswan]

A ball winning "bull" midfielder should be the top priority in the next draft as. Kennedy cannot go on forever.

A Cripps clone would be nice.

[barry]

A Cripps clone would be nice.

Why not go after Cripps. The Vic media are obsessed with poaching struggling northern clubs, why not poach a struggling vic club. He is not going to win a flag at carlton.