2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[liz]

Do you consider these to be attributes that can be gained through training or are they more innate?

With my vast (middle aged and female) playing experience, I’d have thought they can be at least partly - maybe mostly- trained. Keeping your feet would be a little about natural balance, but more core lower body strength and mindset. While being a one touch player I would expect to be developed through technique and years of ball handling experience.

They are certainly attributes that go towards being a good footballer. Players who can pick the ball cleanly off the ground will play quicker than the rest, regardless of their leg speed because they have that extra split second to assess their options and make a decision. It’s partly also physical though. One of the reasons JPK has dropped off a bit in the last couple of seasons is that he’s been a lot less clean picking the ball up. Fumbly even, at times. But I doubt that’s because his hands or coordination are failing him and more because he’s been having issues with various parts of his lower body (back issues maybe, and reportedly groin soreness).

[Auntie.Gerald]

anyone see us a chance to trade up with picks 32/44 ?

pts value of say combining picks 32 & 44 = 946 = pick 19

pick 25 = 756
pick 32 = 584
pick 44 = 362

[bloodspirit]

With my vast (middle aged and female) playing experience, I’d have thought they can be at least partly - maybe mostly- trained. Keeping your feet would be a little about natural balance, but more core lower body strength and mindset. While being a one touch player I would expect to be developed through technique and years of ball handling experience.

They are certainly attributes that go towards being a good footballer. Players who can pick the ball cleanly off the ground will play quicker than the rest, regardless of their leg speed because they have that extra split second to assess their options and make a decision. It’s partly also physical though. One of the reasons JPK has dropped off a bit in the last couple of seasons is that he’s been a lot less clean picking the ball up. Fumbly even, at times. But I doubt that’s because his hands or coordination are failing him and more because he’s been having issues with various parts of his lower body (back issues maybe, and reportedly groin soreness).

Thanks for your insights, liz. Makes sense to me. I'm curious about your vast playing experience, or is this tongue in cheek? You are certainly very knowledgeable.

[111431]

anyone see us a chance to trade up with picks 32/44 ?

pts value of say combining picks 32 & 44 = 946 = pick 19

pick 25 = 756
pick 32 = 584
pick 44 = 362

i'm sure we can do it but whether there is a club who wants to slide back is the key. Maybe if one of the academy players or father son's is bid on early

[bloodspirit]

an interesting take on the draft reported on the ABC. the consensus have us taking Flanders, Jeremy Sharp from WA and Cameron Taheny from SA. the latter two are big sliders in the draft from the early season predictions.

The 2019 AFL draft will take place in Melbourne and the experts have made their tips - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Thanks for sharing this excellent article! There are two things that jumped out at me:

1. Ash and Flanders have been consistently rated close to top 5 all season. This makes them now more appealing to me than Young or Serong. (Apparently one knock on Young is that despite being fast he doesn't really run and carry or take the game on too much. But surely that is something that could be fixed?) I now hope and expect we will take Flanders or Ash tonight. (A quick turnaround based on not much, I know! )

2. Confirmation of the obvious: media 'expert' opinion are not as well regarded as those of actual recruiters.

The best at it turn a media gig into a full-time football department job (such as former reporter Emma Quayle, who moved from The Age to GWS), while others turn a passion into a media gig, such as Chris Doerre or Matt Balmer — both former amateurs — who are now with ESPN and Fox Footy respectively.

[bloodspirit]

anyone see us a chance to trade up with picks 32/44 ?

pts value of say combining picks 32 & 44 = 946 = pick 19

I think you're dreaming if you think we can trade picks 32 & 44 for pick 19. We'd be lucky to get our own pick 25 for that. Turn it around: would you trade pick 25 for picks 32 and 44? (or 33 and 43 since we already have the other two?) Everyone wants to move up. We'll have to be prepared to sacrifice something meaningful if we want to do trade up (i.e. lose - not break even - on the DVI calculations).

[Auntie.Gerald]

KBs interview suggested that there could be a fair few seriously good players slide down past the top 25 primarily doe to the clubs with multiple picks within the top 25 cherry picking for requirements

KB leaves one thinking how much value there could be between picks 20 to 35 and why not combine 32/44 for a pick 19 to 24 if possible

even if we gave a little extra points away having a pick 24 and 25 would give us a distinct advantage

[liz]

Very much tongue in cheek. Meant as a disclaimer in what I wrote was rubbish.

But while my footy playing experience is limited to attending one preseason training session with the UNSW ladies team about 20 years ago, which confirmed my lack of running ability, and taught me that chest marking is painful (for women, at least), we all have experiences learning new physical skills, and therefore have some idea of what can be learned through practice, what needs physical development, and what is very tough to pick up if you don’t have the requisite (non-developable) physical attributes. And I’ve spent many decades watching what kinds of skills fit young men typically improve and what they don’t.

[barry]

Why let facts get in the way Agent Orange?

Resorting to name calling. Sad.

Up until yesterday 4pm, the most recent comment from Swans management, albeit unofficial, was Tom Harley telling Blood Spirit in early November "If Tom Green is still on the board at pick 5 at the draft, we will bid on him. We expect GWS to match."

Your problems could originate here.

The Swans didn't "come out and publically say they won't bid on green to nullify all the nuffy talk ..." KB was asked a question by Cal Twomey on draft radio and his answer was not "no" it was (after a pause) "probably not"

Clutching at straws much?

I've always suggested we should go after Green as meeting a need for the Swans. You've argued we shouldn't go after Green as it would upset GW$ and he's not that good, despite almost universal ranking of him (including by Champion data) as a top 5 player.

I, the swans, and majority of others don't rate at 5. That's what you've got to get over.

[Dosser]

Do you consider these to be attributes that can be gained through training or are they more innate?

They are mainly innate and they are placed in high regard by recruiters.

[bloodspirit]

KBs interview suggested that there could be a fair few seriously good players slide down past the top 25 primarily doe to the clubs with multiple picks within the top 25 cherry picking for requirements

KB leaves one thinking how much value there could be between picks 20 to 35 and why not combine 32/44 for a pick 19 to 24 if possible

even if we gave a little extra points away having a pick 24 and 25 would give us a distinct advantage

If we can do it, I'm all in favour. However I think it is far more likely that to get a pick ahead of pick 25, we'll have to give up our pick 25 as part of the deal.

[liz]

Can a couple of posters please cut out the bickering and name calling. I’ve just moved house and don’t have internet access at the moment other than via my phone. And it’s tricky to moderate on a phone. Otherwise I would have deleted a handful of recent posts. Would be appreciated if those responsible can do us all a favour and just move on.

[Mr Magoo]

They are mainly innate and they are placed in high regard by recruiters.

Agree , they are like speed - can be improved with training but you have to have it in the first place.

[barry]

Its quite an amazing draft where we are going in with an early pick, and dont have much of a clue as to who we will take.

[stevoswan]

I'm confused by KB saying yesterday "We would prefer to call the name of the player that we want, and will get"

Surely you bid on the player you most want. I don't know if this is related to Flanders saying he'd rather not leave Victoria (I read this last night and cannot find the article) and our need to demonstrate to whoever we pick that they were our first choice?

Or if we think Flanders would be a better option than Green because he's quicker

The key words in that sentence are "and will get".

There must be more than one player in the top group the Swans want (say Green and Flanders for example) but obviously they are confident that GWS are going to match a Swans bid on Green so there is no point selecting him.....whereas Flanders is available to anyone who wants him.

Suffice to say, the Swans table will be totally miffed if they went Flanders and then GWS selected someone else! So maybe we should just select him anyway and get Flanders if GWS match and if they don't.....bonus!

Then again, I am not impressed with Flanders coming out and saying he doesn't want to leave Victoria....not impressed at all, if it is true. That's a red flag to me.