2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Aprilbr]

On "AFL Tonight" they rattled off champion data stats highlighting Tom Papley's drop off in form over the past month and linking it to rumours of his desire to return to Victoria. Sounded bit of a stretch to me trying to give a rumour more oxygen!

Yes his drop off in form has been noticeable. I don't think it would be due to any potential move. He is the type of player that always gives 100 percent. It's probably more likely he is struggling with an injury after a long, tough season. I noticed that he was seated near the front in Maccas' retirement press conference yesterday. That's not the position of a player who is not invested in the Club. Macca spoke about how proud he was to retire as a one club player.

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[S.S. Bleeder]

The Papley rumours make no sense to me. He's playing for the club that both his grandfathers played for and the club he always wanted to play for. He also has another year on his contract. That said, the rumours keep circulating which has me a little worried. If it does turn out to be true it should be conclusive evidence to the AFL that we are severely disadvantaged by the go-home factor and that something needs to be done to combat this.

[Mel_C]

The Papley rumours make no sense to me. He's playing for the club that both his grandfathers played for and the club he always wanted to play for. He also has another year on his contract. That said, the rumours keep circulating which has me a little worried. If it does turn out to be true it should be conclusive evidence to the AFL that we are severely disadvantaged by the go-home factor and that something needs to be done to combat this.

Yes if someone like Papley leaves then what hope do we have? I read this afternoon that Patten could be going to the Hawks at a lower salary like Scully did. The Northern clubs can't attract these type of players and pay unders.

[troyjones2525]

You're not calling him McHack anymore? That's refreshing.

+1

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[707]

Maybe create academies for the four disadvantaged northern clubs so they can grow local players .......

Pick 4 stays firmly in our hands after yesterday's robbery. If we beat Dees and Saints in the run home that could drift to pick 6.

[Auntie.Gerald]

The advantage of Dawson off the HBF / qtr back role via short kicking darts under pressure was simple lovely to watch on the wknd

In particular our exits out of our own half in the first qtr were so quick that gws really couldnt set up in defence

So looking forward to minimum 50% of the game Jordan Dawson setting up play off our HBF for many years to come

[Auntie.Gerald]

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2020 GAINS
Barry O'Connor (2020)
2020 LOSSES
Heath Grundy (retired), Jarrad McVeigh (retired)
RE-SIGNED
Nick Blakey (2022), Harry Cunningham (2022), Justin McInerney (2022), Colin O'Riordan (2021), Dane Rampe (2022), Harry Reynolds (2022), James Rowbottom (2022), Callum Sinclair (2021), Jordan Dawson (2021)

OFF CONTRACT 2019 and KEEPERS
Joel Amartey
James Bell
Ryan Clarke
Robbie Fox
Kieren Jack
Zak Jones
Michael Knoll
Hayden McLean
Daniel Menzel
Toby Pink
Nick Smith
Durak Tucker

LET GO -
Cameron ?
Rose ?
Maibaum ?
Thurlow ?
Hirst ?
Grundy - retired
Macca - retired

[Markwebbos]

The advantage of Dawson off the HBF / qtr back role via short kicking darts under pressure was simple lovely to watch on the wknd

In particular our exits out of our own half in the first qtr were so quick that gws really couldnt set up in defence

So looking forward to minimum 50% of the game Jordan Dawson setting up play off our HBF for many years to come

We just need two of him, or Rampe freed up to play a more offensive role.

[Aprilbr]

Nice list there. I agree with most of it but I think that Jack and Fox may also go. I will be interested to see what they do with Nick Smith. Ditto with Menzell. I dont think Thurlow will last. Cameron surely will definitely go? Of course, Zac Jones is a flight risk so let's see how that one works out at year's end. I expect around 10 list changes reflecting our disappointing season despite the promise of our youngsters, together with retirements of the backbone of our last flag team.

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[Auntie.Gerald]

I’d be surprised if the Gold Coast dont step up and put in a serious bid for Jones and probably offer a fairly compelling trade

No1 for no4/5 plus Jones ?

Would u take it given we are a couple years off a window and that melb in 2yrs could take Jones off us anyway ?

Gold Coast need another snr midfielder ASAP more so then a 18yr old and jones like his surfing and maybe a $750k pa contract

[Blood Fever]

The advantage of Dawson off the HBF / qtr back role via short kicking darts under pressure was simple lovely to watch on the wknd

In particular our exits out of our own half in the first qtr were so quick that gws really couldnt set up in defence

So looking forward to minimum 50% of the game Jordan Dawson setting up play off our HBF for many years to come

Potential to be better than Malceski. Bigger and better mark and equally as good a kick

[MattW]

Nice list there. I agree with most of it but I think that Jack and Fox may also go. I will be interested to see what they do with Nick Smith. Ditto with Menzell. I dont think Thurlow will last. Cameron surely will definitely go? Of course, Zac Jones is a flight risk so let's see how that one works out at year's end. I expect around 10 list changes reflecting our disappointing season despite the promise of our youngsters, together with retirements of the backbone of our last flag team.

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I agree with all of that.

I'd take a reasonable/near reasonable offer for Jones. Mid-late first round, for example. His hard running and tackling are great and he's curbed his aggression. But his short kicking through the midfield is too error prone to be elite and it's an area we really need to improve. Also, he doesn't win one on one marking contests.

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Potential to be better than Malceski. Bigger and better mark and equally as good a kick

Yes, also clutch.

[Faunac8]

Interesting to consider when looking at the stats on the AFL just how close to “average” the Swans are even though we sit 15th on the ladder . It’s bizarre how we are either right on or within a couple of % of the competition average.
A couple of stats that reflect the general consensus on this site we are at 30 compared to 39 for the competition average for hit outs and 34 to 38 for clearances. Everything else is pretty close. I think we are possibly the best 15th placed side the competition has had for a few years. I think the futures so bright ........ well you know the rest ????

[Markwebbos]

I’d be surprised if the Gold Coast dont step up and put in a serious bid for Jones and probably offer a fairly compelling trade

No1 for no4/5 plus Jones ?

Would u take it given we are a couple years off a window and that melb in 2yrs could take Jones off us anyway ?

Gold Coast need another snr midfielder ASAP more so then a 18yr old and jones like his surfing and maybe a $750k pa contract

They aren't going to offer pick 1 for Jones. He's out of contract so could walk to another club for nothing in the PSD. I would imagine the risk of being picked up by GCS is what might force a trade if he doesn't stay.

[Mel_C]

Interesting to consider when looking at the stats on the AFL just how close to “average” the Swans are even though we sit 15th on the ladder . It’s bizarre how we are either right on or within a couple of % of the competition average.
A couple of stats that reflect the general consensus on this site we are at 30 compared to 39 for the competition average for hit outs and 34 to 38 for clearances. Everything else is pretty close. I think we are possibly the best 15th placed side the competition has had for a few years. I think the futures so bright ........ well you know the rest ????

I think that makes sense because the only team that blew us away was gws early in the year. The Tigers and Brisbane games we didn't look like winning, however in my opinion we have been a chance in all other games.

That's why I'm looking forward to next year with our youngsters now getting experience.