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  • AB Swannie
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2017
    • 1579

    Originally posted by AB Swannie
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    Let this be a lesson for us. This was tweeted on 2nd May! Most people brushed it off as being BS with “Swans blood running through his veins.” We like to think that trades and contracts are being negotiated now. This Papley thing has been in the works for some time.

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    • Southern Swan15
      Warming the Bench
      • May 2010
      • 203

      Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
      Was just about to post something similar . This is Mathew Lloyd’s proposed trade . Classic Lordo, needs to take the Essendon googles off here .


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      Am I the only one who isn't feeling the world will end of papley goes. Looking at his 2019, he only kicked more than 2 goals in 3 times, 4 games he recorded 10 or less possessions and only recorded 20+ passions 3 times. All this in a year where the main focal point forward was missing offering more opportunities for him.

      We have a clear replacement in will Haywood to fill the small forward role, so if Carlton are desperate to overspend to get him in, let's use his currency to target a key need, as in mids, ruck or key backman.

      For the record, not danihur.

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      • Thunder Shaker
        Aut vincere aut mori
        • Apr 2004
        • 4164

        Originally posted by Faunac8
        AFL Trade Radio puts forwards this scenario
        This is how it looked.
        ESSENDON
        Receives: Picks 4 and 8, Loses: Joe Daniher and Pick 29
        SYDNEY
        Receives: Joe Daniher and Pick 29, Loses: Tom Papley and Pick 4
        CARLTON
        Receives: Tom Papley, Loses: Pick 8

        I say “ tell em they’re dreaming “ picks 4 & 8 for Daniher is way over the odds.
        Carlton giving up just pick 9 for a contracted player? Sydney giving up TWO first round picks for a player who's played only 11 games in two years, has questions over his commitment and who the Swans can get for free next year? Someone's gone way off reality there.
        "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16741

          Originally posted by Nico
          On SEN they keep saying Tom is a restricted free agent next year regardless of what callers say. He has a 4 year contract for crying out loud. Just pay him another $100,000 a year and put this bull dust to bed, or maybe that's what he angling for, or should I say his manager is angling for (read commission). It's all about the cabbage.
          Tom or Joe?

          Even if Papley were out of contract at the end of next season, he hasn't been in the AFL system long enough to qualify as a free agent.

          Re the idea of picks 4 and 8 for Daniher, that's not far off what Chris Judd was traded for. If he had played for the last two seasons at the level he performed in 2017, fair enough. He'd be worth that and more (given tall forwards cost more). But not for a player with lingering injury concerns.

          If the club decides to trade Papley and pick 8 forms the core of what we receive, the club should be looking to see which quality midfielders they can prise out of other clubs, not waste it on a tall forward that we don't need. If West Coast are serious about getting their hands on Tim Kelly they will need some serious trade currency. Their current and next year first round picks aren't going to cut it with Geelong. They'll certainly need a pick in the top 10. They may also need to clear some players for salary cap reasons. Who might they be prepared to part ways with? (Probably no-one that fits a need, though Daniel Venables wouldn't be a bad replacement for Zak Jones if he's over his concussion issues - not for an effective straight swap for Papley though. Sheed would be great but that's a pipedream - West Coast would never let him go and he almost certainly wouldn't want to leave either.)

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          • Thunder Shaker
            Aut vincere aut mori
            • Apr 2004
            • 4164

            Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
            Was just about to post something similar . This is Mathew Lloyd’s proposed trade . Classic Lordo, needs to take the Essendon googles off here .
            Yep. Why am I not surprised? And he needs to stop smoking the Essendon "tobacco".
            "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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            • Nico
              Veterans List
              • Jan 2003
              • 11329

              Originally posted by liz
              Tom or Joe?

              Even if Papley were out of contract at the end of next season, he hasn't been in the AFL system long enough to qualify as a free agent.

              Re the idea of picks 4 and 8 for Daniher, that's not far off what Chris Judd was traded for. If he had played for the last two seasons at the level he performed in 2017, fair enough. He'd be worth that and more (given tall forwards cost more). But not for a player with lingering injury concerns.

              If the club decides to trade Papley and pick 8 forms the core of what we receive, the club should be looking to see which quality midfielders they can prise out of other clubs, not waste it on a tall forward that we don't need. If West Coast are serious about getting their hands on Tim Kelly they will need some serious trade currency. Their current and next year first round picks aren't going to cut it with Geelong. They'll certainly need a pick in the top 10. They may also need to clear some players for salary cap reasons. Who might they be prepared to part ways with? (Probably no-one that fits a need, though Daniel Venables wouldn't be a bad replacement for Zak Jones if he's over his concussion issues - not for an effective straight swap for Papley though. Sheed would be great but that's a pipedream - West Coast would never let him go and he almost certainly wouldn't want to leave either.)
              They were talking about Papley as it was 2 Swans supporters who rang up.
              http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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              • sprite
                Regular in the Side
                • Jan 2003
                • 813

                Originally posted by barry
                We are well in the 'Tom harley' era.
                We were in the Andrew Ireland era: Lost Tom Mitchell, Toby Nankervis, Dan Hanneberry, Mummy....which everyone keeps harping on about

                What's your point Barry? Just because the club didn't consult you on appointing the CEO..

                Harley has nothing to do with it.
                sprite

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                • Thunder Shaker
                  Aut vincere aut mori
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 4164

                  On the Papley trade via today's Trade Wrap:

                  "SYDNEY will play hard-ball in any trade negotiations involving contracted forward Tom Papley, who has indicated his desire to move to Carlton during the upcoming Telstra AFL Trade Period.

                  The lively small forward is under contract with the Swans until the end of 2023, with the Blues aware they will have to pay over the odds in order to prise him back to Victoria next month.

                  Papley, who is understood to have attracted an offer of around $550,000-650,000 per season from Carlton, chose Ikon Park as his preferred destination despite rival interest from North Melbourne.

                  He has close friends at the club, including former Swans defenders Nic Newman and Alex Johnson – the latter of which is currently involved with the club's VFL affiliate the Northern Blues.

                  Carlton has picks No.9, No.41, No.46 and No.73 at the upcoming NAB AFL Draft, while it will also be able to trade its future first-round selection during a significant exchange period for the club.

                  Gold Coast midfielder Jack Martin has already officially requested a trade to Carlton ahead of the trade period.

                  Papley, 23, enjoyed a career-best season in 2019, kicking 37 goals from 22 games. – Riley Beveridge"
                  "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                  • Mark26
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2017
                    • 1535

                    Originally posted by Faunac8
                    AFL Trade Radio puts forwards this scenario
                    This is how it looked.
                    ESSENDON
                    Receives: Picks 4 and 8, Loses: Joe Daniher and Pick 29
                    SYDNEY
                    Receives: Joe Daniher and Pick 29, Loses: Tom Papley and Pick 4
                    CARLTON
                    Receives: Tom Papley, Loses: Pick 8

                    I say “ tell em they’re dreaming “ picks 4 & 8 for Daniher is way over the odds.
                    I was pretty angry when I first read this, but the more I think about it, the more I'm certain Lloyd has been hanging out with Willie Rioli.

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                    • Nico
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 11329

                      Originally posted by AB Swannie
                      Let this be a lesson for us. This was tweeted on 2nd May! Most people brushed it off as being BS with “Swans blood running through his veins.” We like to think that trades and contracts are being negotiated now. This Papley thing has been in the works for some time.
                      And let me guess... his Manager leaked that story.
                      http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                      • 707
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 6204

                        Guys, every pick has moved out at least one, Carlton now holds pick 9 which after the GWS Green matching bid will become pick 10.

                        No more reference to pick 8 :-)

                        We have pick 5 which may end up pick 6, Rowell, Anderson and highly likely Green before our pick, we'll have the third "live" pick, will my pick Serong last to then?

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                        • Bloods05
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 1641

                          Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                          Carlton giving up just pick 9 for a contracted player? Sydney giving up TWO first round picks for a player who's played only 11 games in two years, has questions over his commitment and who the Swans can get for free next year? Someone's gone way off reality there.
                          Yep. His name is Matthew Lloyd. He's an "expert".

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                          Originally posted by sprite
                          We were in the Andrew Ireland era: Lost Tom Mitchell, Toby Nankervis, Dan Hanneberry, Mummy....which everyone keeps harping on about

                          What's your point Barry? Just because the club didn't consult you on appointing the CEO..

                          Harley has nothing to do with it.
                          Just a bit of trolling.

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                          • MattW
                            Veterans List
                            • May 2011
                            • 4196

                            Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                            The Swans have a history of helping players get to their preferred clubs. If Jones is out of contract and wants to go to St Kilda, then off to St Kilda he will go. It's just a matter of striking a satisfactory deal.
                            Yes, I get the feeling Sydney hasn't really resisted this one.

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                            • Markwebbos
                              Veterans List
                              • Jul 2016
                              • 7186

                              Age article says Daniher “decision” is due after Bombers B&F tomorrow night

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                              • Ralph Dawg
                                Senior Player
                                • Apr 2018
                                • 1729

                                Would there be a Carlton player who could be part of a deal for Papley?

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