2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Auntie.Gerald]

OT not as linear as that

it is more about finding exactly what level of recovery and management is required

ive had OT 2yrs and same with other close friends

there are outliers and people who cant return but not many

between myself and close friends who we were playing PL soccer, Sydney Comp AFL, Rep basketball, rep oztag and touch footy and or marathon trail running, rock climbing etc and all of us returned 90 to 99% which was plenty enough

same for pro athletes like JPK or bill slater in rugby league in managing and still competing at much higher levels.........probably 1 in 5 players go through groin and OT at some stage in professional sport and have to manage a season or two or the rest of their career

its all about management, reducing scar tissue from other injuries in and around same region and supporting muscle groups

the best trail runners in the world stretch up to 2hrs a day so why not more footy players going to that level........some footy players have to do yoga and specific stretching to the max to manage injuries and as JD admitted he didnt do enough before returning

paul okon australian player with his injuries including OT had to stretch 60mins morn and 60mins evening

if that is what it takes that is what it takes and JD is finding out the hard way

[KSAS]

What have I been saying. This Osteitis Pubis is, in some people, a chronic condition. His brother never recovered from it. If he plays again it won't be soon by the looks of it.

Yes we did dodge a bullet. If fit he would be a great asset but as it is he is just another player in the injury list. Sad that such a talent is being wasted but that's how it is sometimes.I can remember we got this wonderful little rover, an Indigenous kid, Jamie Lawson, who broke his leg and never played again..


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I was there at the MCG when Jamie Lawson broke his leg against Richmond (1994 I think?). He did it early in the game & not realising that would be his last ever game watching him being stretchered off. He had serious wheels, one of the quickest players I've ever seen who've donned the red & white. I recall him later receiving compensation from the club as a result of leg operation going wrong.

[stevoswan]

I was there at the MCG when Jamie Lawson broke his leg against Richmond (1994 I think?). He did it early in the game & not realising that would be his last ever game watching him being stretchered off. He had serious wheels, one of the quickest players I've ever seen who've donned the red & white. I recall him later receiving compensation from the club as a result of leg operation going wrong.

He took the club to court to get that compensation too. The settlement details remain private. He claimed the club just left him in the lurch without support after he finished.....he may be right. This was pre Roos days....we were not as professional and holistic back in the 90's as we are now.

[stellation]

He took the club to court to get that compensation too. The settlement details remain private. He claimed the club just left him in the lurch without support after he finished.....he may be right. This was pre Roos days....we were not as professional and holistic back in the 90's as we are now.

It was the AFL overall, not just the Swans, who needed to do a lot of work back then on looking after injured players. Since then the AFLPA has done an excellent job in building in provisions for this type of scenario into the CBA- there's explicit provisions built in now around payments to someone who is injured in what turns out to be their final game, as well as a discretionary fund that can provide additional money.

I don't know the details of Jamie's situation, but people like him were trailblazers when it came to getting the AFL to acknowledge it was something that needed to be cleaned up.

[Melbourne_Blood]

2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

OT not as linear as that

it is more about finding exactly what level of recovery and management is required

ive had OT 2yrs and same with other close friends

there are outliers and people who cant return but not many

between myself and close friends who we were playing PL soccer, Sydney Comp AFL, Rep basketball, rep oztag and touch footy and or marathon trail running, rock climbing etc and all of us returned 90 to 99% which was plenty enough

same for pro athletes like JPK or bill slater in rugby league in managing and still competing at much higher levels.........probably 1 in 5 players go through groin and OT at some stage in professional sport and have to manage a season or two or the rest of their career

its all about management, reducing scar tissue from other injuries in and around same region and supporting muscle groups

the best trail runners in the world stretch up to 2hrs a day so why not more footy players going to that level........some footy players have to do yoga and specific stretching to the max to manage injuries and as JD admitted he didnt do enough before returning

paul okon australian player with his injuries including OT had to stretch 60mins morn and 60mins evening

if that is what it takes that is what it takes and JD is finding out the hard way

So JD just needs to stop being a lazy bastard and stretch more ? Case closed....

I’ll tell you one professional athlete who never came back from his groin issues: Darcy Daniher, who you might also know as Joe’s older brother.

I think Joe’s cooked, and I think Dodoro had the chance to offload a lemon and drove too hard a bargain. I guess they only have him for one more year so nothing much to lose there. I’d love for Joe to come good but it ain’t looking good for him.

PS what is OT ? Is it similar to OP ?

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[Melbourne_Blood]

Darcy Moore is out of contract again end of season. Assuming JD has another injury ravaged season and we lose interest, I wonder if we would be keen on Moore? I know he’s had some injury issues also but he put together a hell of a season last year, and we do have some question marks down back.


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[KSAS]

Darcy Moore is out of contract again end of season. Assuming JD has another injury ravaged season and we lose interest, I wonder if we would be keen on Moore? I know he’s had some injury issues also but he put together a hell of a season last year, and we do have some question marks down back.


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With Grundy signing a 7yr x 1m contract, there's every chance the Pies might be in a cap squeeze to retain Moore particularly if he has another exceptional year (as most seem to do in their final year of contract). Expect a few clubs to have already started to sniff him out if that's the case. Not sure if we'd be in the hunt, as I agree it will largely depend if JD gets on the park and has a convincing season. Moore will cost us picks (assuming he's willingly to move to Sydney) versus JD who we can get as RFA. Plus you have the unknown whether a contracted Papley will again seek a trade back to Melbourne, which will change our hand considerably. A lot to play out with many possible scenarios.

I recall Kinnear mentioning during the draft a preference in retaining the young talented list we've been building over several years, rather than chasing a big fish (another indication JD had seeked us out to begin with).

[Auntie.Gerald]

apologies
OP it should have been lol ...... was on my phone / fat fingers

Mate you could be right as there are a few that dont come back
odds are your wrong though given the huge amount of athletes that recover and manage OP for the rest of their careers
Yes Menzel brothers suffered similar ACL issues genetically as maybe the Danihers do re groin and or OP issues

Why dont you think Buddy is cooked with his ongoing groin OP injuries ? or JPK who has managed his groin OP ongoing

Your opinion is a guess with stats not on your side.......but you could still be right

I had OP myself......for 18months to 2 years.....didnt look like recovering well........result 95% recovery but it required daily yoga, daily specific stretching and boring as bat @@@@ muscle specific strengthening.........plus a brutal experience with Gary Miritis, a specialist for athletes with this injury.........he gets you a bite a bit.......you are in a padded room to reduce the noise from the screaming and then he knuckles your groin until you basically pass out.........this left both my quads and hammies and groin completely black with a release of all the scar tissue / old blood etc that was bound together trying to support the inflamed groin muscles / pubic bone etc

sounds kinky but in the waiting room was a few athletes that i recognised and he is the best in the business at making you cry with pain........absolute torture

I was playing and training for 20hrs per week prior to OP and within weeks of doing the session with Gary Miritis i was playing rep sports again

I underestimated how much management i had to do to function well........a

There are a stack of athletes that dont manage their injuries well enough prior to returning......they are not willing to put the effort in re boring stretching

if it takes 2hrs a day that is what it takes re stretching .......... i think Jo has been lazy from the multiple reports that were leaked out. Releasing other muscle groups and strengthening them specifically that support the region of the groin etc is paramount and sometimes takes way more then an athlete expects and or is willing to do

hopefully he has learnt his lesson and he is still on my radar for the right price just as he was for the Swans who took it seriously and were not put off by his injury

the reality is that if you can get thru 12 to 24months and he has done 18months now re recovery then you have a very good chance of returning to close to full output if not better

i also learnt i had to tackles and or exit with the ball in a few sports differently and use different technique which all these guys and girls are shown in their management going forward re groin / OP

So JD just needs to stop being a lazy bastard and stretch more ? Case closed....

I’ll tell you one professional athlete who never came back from his groin issues: Darcy Daniher, who you might also know as Joe’s older brother.

I think Joe’s cooked, and I think Dodoro had the chance to offload a lemon and drove too hard a bargain. I guess they only have him for one more year so nothing much to lose there. I’d love for Joe to come good but it ain’t looking good for him.

PS what is OT ? Is it similar to OP ?

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[dimelb]

What an extraordinary experience - I doff my hat!

[stevoswan]

Darcy Moore is out of contract again end of season. Assuming JD has another injury ravaged season and we lose interest, I wonder if we would be keen on Moore? I know he’s had some injury issues also but he put together a hell of a season last year, and we do have some question marks down back.

I had the exact same thought when I saw on the news that Moore was out of contract next year. Definitely worth considering....

[wolftone57]

I was there at the MCG when Jamie Lawson broke his leg against Richmond (1994 I think?). He did it early in the game & not realising that would be his last ever game watching him being stretchered off. He had serious wheels, one of the quickest players I've ever seen who've donned the red & white. I recall him later receiving compensation from the club as a result of leg operation going wrong.

Yes it was so sad. I was watching on TV. I was so disappointed for the lad. He was a real talent and a lovely kid

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[MattW]

Darcy Moore is out of contract again end of season. Assuming JD has another injury ravaged season and we lose interest, I wonder if we would be keen on Moore? I know he’s had some injury issues also but he put together a hell of a season last year, and we do have some question marks down back.


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Moore is possibly the best KPD in the AFL. he would cost a lot.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Yes it was so sad. I was watching on TV. I was so disappointed for the lad. He was a real talent and a lovely kid

At least at the time we didn't know that was it for Jamie.
I was also at the SCG a year or so later I think, when he had "recovered" and they brought him out onto the ground for a farewell - I thought that was even sadder.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Moore is possibly the best KPD in the AFL. he would cost a lot.

That is true, if you mean in terms of salary then I’m sure we in a better position than mast other clubs to offer him a big cheque. If it’s in terms of picks and players that’s another story but if we did want him I’m sure we could make it happen. A lot will depend on how we go as a team this year and how our KPD stocks perform.


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[Nico]

I bet if you go to 16 other club sites they are saying the same thing. Just because Grundy gets a big contract doesn't mean Moore is moving. Why on earth would Collingwood even think of off loading him.