Are the Swans headed for the spoon in 2019?

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  • stevoswan
    Veterans List
    • Sep 2014
    • 8548

    Originally posted by Swanny40519
    I really struggle to understand how we have fallen so fast this year. Yes we have had some injuries, but so do all clubs.

    Most of the whole team are down on form, our skills are deplorable and we seem to be playing without any passion or heart (or am I way of the mark).

    Are there other reasons - unrest in the team, new coaches, game plan ??????
    The 'unrest in team' bit worries me. The malaise of our skills and teamwork could point to that being a possibility. I sincerely hope not because the fallout of that could see us become the next Carlton.

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    • 707
      Veterans List
      • Aug 2009
      • 6204

      Mmmm, number one draft pick, all we have to look forward to this year.

      Happy to see losses if it means we're developing players, not happy if old stagers keep getting games their form doesn't deserve. Things can turn around quickly, Pies 13th and going no where to a GF last year. Take the draft rewards, longer pre season, early surgeries, soft draw and move on up.

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      • neilfws
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2009
        • 1821

        It's rare to see an article devoted to the Swans in this publication so things must be bad

        Strength of Sydney's Bloods culture set to be tested after latest defeat | Craig Little | Sport | The Guardian

        No major insights but an interesting read. The stat about contested possessions (Q3 at the Gabba biggest differential of a quarter this season) stood out for me.

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        • AnnieH
          RWOs Black Sheep
          • Aug 2006
          • 11332

          Hope Dunkely's son is worth the angst.
          Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
          Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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          • waswan
            Senior Player
            • Oct 2015
            • 2047

            Rebuild wont mean anything if it doesnt start in the coaches box
            We may have been spoilt during the last few years but that means nothing looking in the present.
            To say our list is performing as it should for the talent we have is a joke.
            Coach is shot, game style is shot, we dont get it forward enough and when we do its too slow
            For all the talk of being a great developer of players id say on current form he is exactly the opposite.
            Even if we got Pick 1 like a Walsh there is no way Horse would play him in the midfield and if he did he would be a tagger for 3 yrs

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            • barry
              Veterans List
              • Jan 2003
              • 8499

              The problem with finishing last, being last, or even bottom 4 is that:
              - We will have no chance of being a destination club. No finals = no chance of getting a disgruntled star up here.
              - We will give GWS a giant leg up (financially, support) at our expense.

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              • mcs
                Travelling Swannie!!
                • Jul 2007
                • 8161

                Originally posted by neilfws
                It's rare to see an article devoted to the Swans in this publication so things must be bad

                Strength of Sydney's Bloods culture set to be tested after latest defeat | Craig Little | Sport | The Guardian

                No major insights but an interesting read. The stat about contested possessions (Q3 at the Gabba biggest differential of a quarter this season) stood out for me.
                The AFL coverage on the guardian, though sporadic, is pretty good - especially when Craig Little is the author. Its a good article, though no major insights we didn't already know about to be honest.
                "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                • Roadrunner
                  Senior Player
                  • Jan 2018
                  • 1465

                  Originally posted by waswan
                  Rebuild wont mean anything if it doesnt start in the coaches box
                  We may have been spoilt during the last few years but that means nothing looking in the present.
                  To say our list is performing as it should for the talent we have is a joke.
                  Coach is shot, game style is shot, we dont get it forward enough and when we do its too slow
                  For all the talk of being a great developer of players id say on current form he is exactly the opposite.
                  Even if we got Pick 1 like a Walsh there is no way Horse would play him in the midfield and if he did he would be a tagger for 3 yrs
                  I
                  I think you are overestimating our talent-so far this year, our young players haven't shown a lot of improvement,certainly not consistently. Our intensity hasn't been there other than for one quarter, and though we can criticise Horse for gameplan etc, this aspect is really up to the players- they are simply not good enough at this stage!

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                  • Sandrevan
                    Warming the Bench
                    • May 2016
                    • 355

                    I wonder if Eddie Maguire will find a reason why the Swans shouldn't get the No. 1 draft pick if we finish the season as wooden spooners.

                    We have 4 more Friday night games this year - I don't think anyone would have predicted the Swans falling so far this year. Yet I can see some of the Melbourne centric media bemoaning the Swans having Friday night games.

                    On current form I can't see where our next win is coming from. Perhaps against LOLNorf but they were quite convincing against Carlton.

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                    • Ruck'n'Roll
                      Ego alta, ergo ictus
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 3990

                      Strange but true, the Swans are scoring more without Buddy this year than with him in the team.
                      I make no comment as to whether this is something to do with unpredictability, aggregate v's individual output, Buddy dependence or anything else - the sample is simply too small at the moment.

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                      • barry
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 8499

                        The fall to last indicates a bigger problem than player skills. Smells like trouble right through the club.

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                        • bloodspirit
                          Clubman
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 4448

                          Originally posted by waswan
                          For all the talk of being a great developer of players id say on current form he is exactly the opposite.
                          Even if we got Pick 1 like a Walsh there is no way Horse would play him in the midfield and if he did he would be a tagger for 3 yrs
                          I don't agree. Our coaches collectively (not just Horse) have an outstanding record of getting the most out of players. Whether that's players we've recruited with later picks and as rookies, or whether that's taking second stringers from other clubs and turning them into frontliners. Some of these include: Rampe, Cunningham, Lloyd, Ronke, Mattner, Morton, Aliir, Hannebery, Parker, Kennedy, Dawson to name a few, all on Horse's watch.
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                          • Markwebbos
                            Veterans List
                            • Jul 2016
                            • 7186

                            Originally posted by bloodspirit
                            I don't agree. Our coaches collectively (not just Horse) have an outstanding record of getting the most out of players. Whether that's players we've recruited with later picks and as rookies, or whether that's taking second stringers from other clubs and turning them into frontliners. Some of these include: Rampe, Cunningham, Lloyd, Ronke, Mattner, Morton, Aliir, Hannebery, Parker, Kennedy, Dawson to name a few, all on Horse's watch.
                            Recent evidence could be interpreted as the opposite:

                            Ronke’s form
                            Aliir’s lost year in the NEAFL
                            Hannebery’s dumping. We’ve yet to see how he goes at the Saints.
                            Dawson’s lengthy apprenticeship
                            Rohan
                            Nankervis
                            Newman
                            Mitchell

                            There are plenty of other clubs turning low draft picks and rookies into great players.

                            What makes you think we are any better at it?

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                            • 707
                              Veterans List
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 6204

                              COR's lengthy apprenticeship :-)

                              I know, give it a rest 707!

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                              • waswan
                                Senior Player
                                • Oct 2015
                                • 2047

                                Walsh wouldnt get a game in our midfield if horse was coach

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