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  • barry
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 8499

    Has this year shown how important a good coach is to a team.
    - lions rocket up the ladder with a good coach bearing fruit.
    - norf far stronger after coach leaves.
    - Carlton far stronger after coach leaves.
    - GWS can't take the next step to premiership. Due to coach?

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    • Swanny40519
      Regular in the side.
      • Oct 2012
      • 469

      Originally posted by barry
      Has this year shown how important a good coach is to a team.
      - lions rocket up the ladder with a good coach bearing fruit.
      - norf far stronger after coach leaves.
      - Carlton far stronger after coach leaves.
      - GWS can't take the next step to premiership. Due to coach?
      - Swans skills are terrible, cannot score enough goals to win a game, too many players out of form. Due to coach ??

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      • barry
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 8499

        Originally posted by Swanny40519
        - Swans skills are terrible, cannot score enough goals to win a game, too many players out of form. Due to coach ??
        Academic now.
        But skills are only a small part of a premiership team. A game plan, a deep down desire, and a team ethos seem pretty key as well.
        Skill sets havent changed at Norf or Carlton.

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        • Bloods05
          Senior Player
          • Oct 2008
          • 1641

          Brisbane under Fagan were pretty terrible for a year or two. It takes a while to rebuild.

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          • Markwebbos
            Veterans List
            • Jul 2016
            • 7186

            Originally posted by Bloods05
            Brisbane under Fagan were pretty terrible for a year or two. It takes a while to rebuild.
            15th last year

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            • Jupiter
              Warming the Bench
              • Sep 2010
              • 243

              Originally posted by Markwebbos
              15th last year
              It's academic now but the administration was too conservative and missed the boat on the natural succession of Stuart Dew. That will be something that is paid for for a long while.

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              • Meg
                Go Swannies!
                Site Admin
                • Aug 2011
                • 4828

                Originally posted by Jupiter
                It's academic now but the administration was too conservative and missed the boat on the natural succession of Stuart Dew. That will be something that is paid for for a long while.
                Would that be the same Stuart Dew who coached the Suns to a loss to the Crows 23.13 to 8.8 last weekend? And the same Stuart Dew who has coached the Suns to just three wins this year, so the Suns sit on the bottom of the ladder? Despite the high draft picks Suns have playing for them?

                H’mmm.

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                • Melbourne_Blood
                  Senior Player
                  • May 2010
                  • 3312

                  Originally posted by Meg
                  Would that be the same Stuart Dew who coached the Suns to a loss to the Crows 23.13 to 8.8 last weekend? And the same Stuart Dew who has coached the Suns to just three wins this year, so the Suns sit on the bottom of the ladder? Despite the high draft picks Suns have playing for them?

                  H’mmm.
                  I don’t reckon Alistair Clarkson could go to the Suns and turn them around at this rate . Seriously what was Stuey thinking taking that gig, he could’ve had the Melbourne gig and the Carlton gig at one point (if you believe the media ).


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                  • stevoswan
                    Veterans List
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 8543

                    Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                    I don’t reckon Alistair Clarkson could go to the Suns and turn them around at this rate . Seriously what was Stuey thinking taking that gig, he could’ve had the Melbourne gig and the Carlton gig at one point (if you believe the media ).
                    My theory is that he had game plan issues with Horse that he couldn't see changing and jumped at the first senior coaching vacancy on offer. Pity it was at the Suns.....

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                    • Meg
                      Go Swannies!
                      Site Admin
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 4828

                      Originally posted by stevoswan
                      My theory is that he had game plan issues with Horse that he couldn't see changing and jumped at the first senior coaching vacancy on offer. Pity it was at the Suns.....
                      If Dew has a superior game plan, and according to some posters here game plan is the magic bullet to success, why are the Suns doing so badly?

                      Might it not be the case that footy success results from an interaction of many factors?

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                      • Hotpotato
                        Senior Player
                        • Jun 2014
                        • 2261

                        The Gold Coast is now a population of hugely diverse supporters (many moving there who are rusted on fans of other clubs).
                        How can any team flourish there?
                        It’s still very tough for the Swans to go anywhere near filling the SCG after how many years... 37 ?

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                        • Jupiter
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 243

                          Originally posted by Meg
                          If Dew has a superior game plan, and according to some posters here game plan is the magic bullet to success, why are the Suns doing so badly?

                          Might it not be the case that footy success results from an interaction of many factors?
                          Yes Meg, many factors no doubt about that, I'm not a "game plan" only Dew advocate, although I do know that was an issue for some important players and some other had other issues with coach (and left), but hey players are never all happy with everything. My view is based on him having done a great apprenticeship and being the best internal option for a managed succession plan which I'd have preferred. I don't like to see people in a position like senior coach for so long, I just don't believe they can be as fresh with their ideas or other aspects of the job and they can become too entrenched. Same old voice..... Apples and Pears, Suns and Swans.

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                          • Ludwig
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9359

                            Originally posted by Meg
                            If Dew has a superior game plan, and according to some posters here game plan is the magic bullet to success, why are the Suns doing so badly?

                            Might it not be the case that footy success results from an interaction of many factors?
                            It's worth highlighting just how astute a rhetorical question this is.

                            Whether it's here on RWO or in the media, the analysis of a wide variety of situations are simplified down to single issues or limited factors. The undulating fate of teams and their players from week to week are a result of many more things than we can contemplate. If it's even possible to come somewhere near the truth, it will probably be a result of acutely weighing up information from numerous inputs from many sources.

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                            • stevoswan
                              Veterans List
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 8543

                              Originally posted by Meg
                              If Dew has a superior game plan, and according to some posters here game plan is the magic bullet to success, why are the Suns doing so badly?

                              Might it not be the case that footy success results from an interaction of many factors?
                              I wasn't necessarily saying Dew had a better game plan, just a different one that wasn't on Horse's radar.

                              You're right about an interaction of many factors being the key to success and list quality obviously has a lot to do with the Suns problems.....but they did beat us at home last year with much the same list. Superior game plan?

                              I'm happy with Horse though.....he is evolving our game style and when injuries and cygnet development (and hopefully, consistency of skills) fall into place, I think we'll be pretty happy with his game plan.

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                              • liz
                                Veteran
                                Site Admin
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 16733

                                Originally posted by stevoswan
                                I wasn't necessarily saying Dew had a better game plan, just a different one that wasn't on Horse's radar.
                                At a very simplistic level, Dew seems to be trying to engage a game plan that Horse moved away from a couple of years ago. He's taken Gold Coast from being a team with speed and outside run but lacking inside grunt to one that emphasises winning the ball in tight but is no longer effective in moving the ball on the outside.

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