Horse

[barry]

Has this year shown how important a good coach is to a team.
- lions rocket up the ladder with a good coach bearing fruit.
- norf far stronger after coach leaves.
- Carlton far stronger after coach leaves.
- GWS can't take the next step to premiership. Due to coach?

[Swanny40519]

Has this year shown how important a good coach is to a team.
- lions rocket up the ladder with a good coach bearing fruit.
- norf far stronger after coach leaves.
- Carlton far stronger after coach leaves.
- GWS can't take the next step to premiership. Due to coach?

- Swans skills are terrible, cannot score enough goals to win a game, too many players out of form. Due to coach ??

[barry]

- Swans skills are terrible, cannot score enough goals to win a game, too many players out of form. Due to coach ??

Academic now.
But skills are only a small part of a premiership team. A game plan, a deep down desire, and a team ethos seem pretty key as well.
Skill sets havent changed at Norf or Carlton.

[Bloods05]

Brisbane under Fagan were pretty terrible for a year or two. It takes a while to rebuild.

[Markwebbos]

Brisbane under Fagan were pretty terrible for a year or two. It takes a while to rebuild.

15th last year

[Jupiter]

15th last year

It's academic now but the administration was too conservative and missed the boat on the natural succession of Stuart Dew. That will be something that is paid for for a long while.

[Meg]

It's academic now but the administration was too conservative and missed the boat on the natural succession of Stuart Dew. That will be something that is paid for for a long while.

Would that be the same Stuart Dew who coached the Suns to a loss to the Crows 23.13 to 8.8 last weekend? And the same Stuart Dew who has coached the Suns to just three wins this year, so the Suns sit on the bottom of the ladder? Despite the high draft picks Suns have playing for them?

H’mmm.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Would that be the same Stuart Dew who coached the Suns to a loss to the Crows 23.13 to 8.8 last weekend? And the same Stuart Dew who has coached the Suns to just three wins this year, so the Suns sit on the bottom of the ladder? Despite the high draft picks Suns have playing for them?

H’mmm.

I don’t reckon Alistair Clarkson could go to the Suns and turn them around at this rate . Seriously what was Stuey thinking taking that gig, he could’ve had the Melbourne gig and the Carlton gig at one point (if you believe the media ).


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[stevoswan]

I don’t reckon Alistair Clarkson could go to the Suns and turn them around at this rate . Seriously what was Stuey thinking taking that gig, he could’ve had the Melbourne gig and the Carlton gig at one point (if you believe the media ).

My theory is that he had game plan issues with Horse that he couldn't see changing and jumped at the first senior coaching vacancy on offer. Pity it was at the Suns.....

[Meg]

My theory is that he had game plan issues with Horse that he couldn't see changing and jumped at the first senior coaching vacancy on offer. Pity it was at the Suns.....

If Dew has a superior game plan, and according to some posters here game plan is the magic bullet to success, why are the Suns doing so badly?

Might it not be the case that footy success results from an interaction of many factors?

[Hotpotato]

The Gold Coast is now a population of hugely diverse supporters (many moving there who are rusted on fans of other clubs).
How can any team flourish there?
It’s still very tough for the Swans to go anywhere near filling the SCG after how many years... 37 ?

[Jupiter]

If Dew has a superior game plan, and according to some posters here game plan is the magic bullet to success, why are the Suns doing so badly?

Might it not be the case that footy success results from an interaction of many factors?

Yes Meg, many factors no doubt about that, I'm not a "game plan" only Dew advocate, although I do know that was an issue for some important players and some other had other issues with coach (and left), but hey players are never all happy with everything. My view is based on him having done a great apprenticeship and being the best internal option for a managed succession plan which I'd have preferred. I don't like to see people in a position like senior coach for so long, I just don't believe they can be as fresh with their ideas or other aspects of the job and they can become too entrenched. Same old voice..... Apples and Pears, Suns and Swans.

[Ludwig]

If Dew has a superior game plan, and according to some posters here game plan is the magic bullet to success, why are the Suns doing so badly?

Might it not be the case that footy success results from an interaction of many factors?

It's worth highlighting just how astute a rhetorical question this is.

Whether it's here on RWO or in the media, the analysis of a wide variety of situations are simplified down to single issues or limited factors. The undulating fate of teams and their players from week to week are a result of many more things than we can contemplate. If it's even possible to come somewhere near the truth, it will probably be a result of acutely weighing up information from numerous inputs from many sources.

[stevoswan]

If Dew has a superior game plan, and according to some posters here game plan is the magic bullet to success, why are the Suns doing so badly?

Might it not be the case that footy success results from an interaction of many factors?

I wasn't necessarily saying Dew had a better game plan, just a different one that wasn't on Horse's radar.

You're right about an interaction of many factors being the key to success and list quality obviously has a lot to do with the Suns problems.....but they did beat us at home last year with much the same list. Superior game plan?

I'm happy with Horse though.....he is evolving our game style and when injuries and cygnet development (and hopefully, consistency of skills) fall into place, I think we'll be pretty happy with his game plan.

[liz]

I wasn't necessarily saying Dew had a better game plan, just a different one that wasn't on Horse's radar.

At a very simplistic level, Dew seems to be trying to engage a game plan that Horse moved away from a couple of years ago. He's taken Gold Coast from being a team with speed and outside run but lacking inside grunt to one that emphasises winning the ball in tight but is no longer effective in moving the ball on the outside.