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  • Ralph Dawg
    Senior Player
    • Apr 2018
    • 1729

    #91
    Originally posted by Markwebbos
    AFL.com.au has had a crack at our best 22. I don’t know why they insist on seeing Blakey as a key position player rather than a tall wingman / half forward? They’ve swung Reid back to accommodate Blakey.

    They’ve got Sinkers rucking and none of our draftees in the side. But Taylor and Gray are in.

    Who's in, who's unlucky? Your club's best 22 for round one
    I essentially agree with this team. I would be happy to try Reid down back but suspect he will start forward. Agree with you Webbos that Blakey plays on a wing / high HF.

    Naismith is a unicorn - this mythical creature that will apparently solve all our issues around stoppages. As I have mentioned ad nauseum cast your minds back to his last full season. Look at the stats - his hit out count is on par with Sinclair. He was working with a superior midfield (Mitchell, JPK, Hanners, Jack, Parker ). Watch the games where McEvoy and Zac Smith towelled him up. And that was before he stuffed his knee. He will not fix a thing and will also get soundly beaten around the park. Sinclair is an honest workman and will compete around the park. Until we find a better ruckman than these two, Sinclair is the better option. Happy to be proven wrong as always - it would be fantastic if he was to become a first rate ruck in his second coming but I have my reservations..........

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    • Ralph Dawg
      Senior Player
      • Apr 2018
      • 1729

      #92
      Originally posted by Aaron
      I prefer Sinclair too. Here is a comparison between Sinclair of 2018 and Naismith of 2017 when playing as our number 1 ruck:
      https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...2=P&fopt2=2017
      See above link to stats. My final word on this. Promise not to raise it again ????

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      • Auntie.Gerald
        Veterans List
        • Oct 2009
        • 6480

        #93
        The 106kg half-back likened to Hurn | Will Gould | Draft Class of 2019 | AFL - YouTube

        gould has stated in just about every interview he wants to be playing in snrs next year

        i dont think i have ever heard a young fella drafted as keen as that except for Warner funny enough

        There appears to be a bit of grit to Gould and Warner and they appear to have that passion to contribute

        his kicking is on display below for Glenelg and there are some monster long kick outs.........starting to warm to Gould on the right side and Dawson on the left causing havoc with their accurate long kicks off HBF looking for Bud up front on the run in space

        Round 1 RAA Rookie - Will Gould (Glenelg) - Lucindale FC - YouTube

        check out the goal end of the video below with stephens and gould and edwards combining..........nice effort, anticipation and finish gouldie

        Glenelg's Will Gould - Torrens Uni SA U18 v Vic Country - YouTube
        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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        • Auntie.Gerald
          Veterans List
          • Oct 2009
          • 6480

          #94
          makes you wonder if Warner may get a chance like Rowbottom did first year ?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK-OlovHyf8 gould got 20.3 for a big unit fair effort in the yo yo test

          Agility (seconds)
          Hayden Young 7.940 seconds
          Elijah Taylor 8.005
          Thomson Dow 8.061
          Trent Rivers 8.100
          Oisin Gallen 8.197
          Chad Warner 8.203
          Sam Flanders 8.206
          Noah Cumberland 8.208
          Connor Budarick 8.242
          Dylan Stephens 8.245

          Yo-Yo test (level)
          Jay Rantall 21.8 level
          Cooper Stephens 21.8
          Connor Budarick 21.6
          Chad Warner 21.6
          Oscar Lewis 21.5
          Sam Philp 21.5
          Lachlan Ash 21.4
          Harrison Jones 21.4
          Finn Maginness 21.4
          Trey Ruscoe 21.4
          Riley Baldi 21.3
          Sam Flanders 21.3
          Matt Rowell 21.3
          Jeremy Sharp 21.3

          2km time trial results (min:sec)

          Jay Rantall 5:50 minutes
          Finn Maginness 5:51
          Dylan Stephens 6:01
          Louis Butler 6:09
          Hugo Ralphsmith 6:12
          Jeremy Sharp 6:12
          Connor Budarick 6:15
          Jai Jackson 6:15
          Will Martyn 6:16
          Ned Cahill 6:17
          Matt Rowell 6:17
          Noah Anderson 6:17
          Cooper Stephens 6:17
          Cian McBride 6:17

          Running vertical jump (cm)

          Brady Rowles 98cm
          Miles Bergman 90
          Sam Flanders 88
          Cian McBride 87
          Lachlan Williams 86
          Hugo Ralphsmith 86
          Jaxon Prior 85
          Nick Bryan 85
          Oscar Lewis 83
          Kysaiah Pickett 83
          Cody Weightman 83
          Will Day 83
          Brady Rowles 83
          Cooper Stephens 83
          Harrison Jones 83

          Vertical jump (cm)
          Miles Bergman 77cm
          Brady Rowles 73
          Ben Johnson 70
          Daniel Mott 70
          Cody Weightman 69
          Sam Flanders 69
          Lachlan Williams 69
          Sam Philp 69
          Nick Bryan 69

          20m sprint (seconds)
          Sam Philp 2.867 seconds
          Ben Johnson 2.885
          Malcolm Rosas 2.924
          Mitch Georgiades 2.925
          Noah Cumberland 2.931
          Finn Maginness 2.957
          Harrison Jones 2.963
          Jeremy Sharp 2.966
          Brady Rowles 2.968
          Dylan Stephens 2.972
          "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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          • MattW
            Veterans List
            • May 2011
            • 4220

            #95
            Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
            makes you wonder if Warner may get a chance like Rowbottom did first year ?

            Glenelg’s Will Gould (64) & North’s Dyson Hilder (65) & Karl Finlay (63) - Yo Yo Test AFL Combine - YouTube gould got 20.3 for a big unit fair effort in the yo yo test

            Agility (seconds)
            Hayden Young 7.940 seconds
            Elijah Taylor 8.005
            Thomson Dow 8.061
            Trent Rivers 8.100
            Oisin Gallen 8.197
            Chad Warner 8.203
            Sam Flanders 8.206
            Noah Cumberland 8.208
            Connor Budarick 8.242
            Dylan Stephens 8.245

            Yo-Yo test (level)
            Jay Rantall 21.8 level
            Cooper Stephens 21.8
            Connor Budarick 21.6
            Chad Warner 21.6
            Oscar Lewis 21.5
            Sam Philp 21.5
            Lachlan Ash 21.4
            Harrison Jones 21.4
            Finn Maginness 21.4
            Trey Ruscoe 21.4
            Riley Baldi 21.3
            Sam Flanders 21.3
            Matt Rowell 21.3
            Jeremy Sharp 21.3

            2km time trial results (min:sec)

            Jay Rantall 5:50 minutes
            Finn Maginness 5:51
            Dylan Stephens 6:01
            Louis Butler 6:09
            Hugo Ralphsmith 6:12
            Jeremy Sharp 6:12
            Connor Budarick 6:15
            Jai Jackson 6:15
            Will Martyn 6:16
            Ned Cahill 6:17
            Matt Rowell 6:17
            Noah Anderson 6:17
            Cooper Stephens 6:17
            Cian McBride 6:17

            Running vertical jump (cm)

            Brady Rowles 98cm
            Miles Bergman 90
            Sam Flanders 88
            Cian McBride 87
            Lachlan Williams 86
            Hugo Ralphsmith 86
            Jaxon Prior 85
            Nick Bryan 85
            Oscar Lewis 83
            Kysaiah Pickett 83
            Cody Weightman 83
            Will Day 83
            Brady Rowles 83
            Cooper Stephens 83
            Harrison Jones 83

            Vertical jump (cm)
            Miles Bergman 77cm
            Brady Rowles 73
            Ben Johnson 70
            Daniel Mott 70
            Cody Weightman 69
            Sam Flanders 69
            Lachlan Williams 69
            Sam Philp 69
            Nick Bryan 69

            20m sprint (seconds)
            Sam Philp 2.867 seconds
            Ben Johnson 2.885
            Malcolm Rosas 2.924
            Mitch Georgiades 2.925
            Noah Cumberland 2.931
            Finn Maginness 2.957
            Harrison Jones 2.963
            Jeremy Sharp 2.966
            Brady Rowles 2.968
            Dylan Stephens 2.972
            Rowles certainly has an impressive athletic base.

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            • 707
              Veterans List
              • Aug 2009
              • 6204

              #96
              Injuries and pre season form aside, perusal of the list has me thinking we have a fairly clear best 20/22, these are the guys I think are locks based on 2019 form

              Buddy
              LLoyd
              Heeney
              Parker
              Aliir
              Papley
              Florent
              Kennedy
              Mills
              Rampe
              Reid
              Hayward
              McCartin
              Blakey
              Hewett
              Dawson
              Rowbottom
              Cunningham
              Sam Gray
              Lewis Taylor if he gets fit
              That's 20, plus we need at least one ruck (Sinclair/Naismith), plus another KPD (Melican/Brand) =22

              COR I really rate and see him best 22 at some stage this year, Thurlow & Clarke are just depth from what we saw in 2019.

              Be interesting to see how the new draftees go, wouldn't be surprised to see Stephens and/or Gould make a big impression on selectors in pre season games.

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              • goswannies
                Senior Player
                • Sep 2007
                • 3051

                #97
                Paps & Heeney removed from the leadership group

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                • stevoswan
                  Veterans List
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 8560

                  #98
                  Originally posted by goswannies
                  Paps & Heeney removed from the leadership group
                  It's player voted....so Paps out was a no brainer. Heeney on the other hand....that is a little hmmm.

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                  • 707
                    Veterans List
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 6204

                    #99
                    Originally posted by stevoswan
                    It's player voted....so Paps out was a no brainer. Heeney on the other hand....that is a little hmmm.
                    Club decided to reduce the leadership group from 8 to just five so there was going to be casualties even with the retirees moving out.

                    It's the three co-captains, Buddy and Mills were top of the voting obviously although we won't ever know if anyone ruled themselves out.

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                    • Mountain Man
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 908

                      Just for interest I put the date of birth for the "Best 22" from a recent post.


                      Buddy 1987 30-Jan
                      Kennedy 1988 20-Jun
                      Rampe 1990 2-Jun
                      Reid 1991 27-Dec
                      Parker 1992 25-Oct
                      Sam Gray 1992 1-Feb
                      LLoyd 1993 20-Sep
                      Cunningham 1993 6-Dec
                      Aliir 1994 15-Sep
                      Hewett 1995 29-Dec
                      Heeney 1996 9-Apr
                      Papley 1996 13-Jul
                      Mills 1997 2-Apr
                      Dawson 1997 9-Apr
                      Florent 1998 22-Jul
                      Hayward 1998 26-Oct
                      McCartin 1999 30-Dec
                      Blakey 2000 27-Feb
                      Rowbottom 2000 19-Sep

                      Lewis Taylor if he gets fit 1995 17-Feb

                      plus we need at least one ruck
                      (Sinclair 1989 23-Sep
                      /Naismith), 1992 16-Jul

                      plus another KPD
                      (Melican 1996 4-Nov
                      /Brand) =22 1994 8-Apr

                      COR I really rate and see him best 22 at some stage this year, 1995 12-Oct

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                      • Auntie.Gerald
                        Veterans List
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 6480

                        i went back and watched the richmond swans game 2019 at the MCG

                        quiet day today with family all overseas or away or working

                        funny enough it was a relaxing read a book, exercise, eat some seafood/salad and watch some footy...... perfect kind a day

                        so first qtr was tight against the tigers

                        2nd qtr Jones made 3 turnovers in 5mins which lead to 3 turnovers and 3 forward 50 entries by richmond and as richmond do x 2 goals

                        we lost by 3 goals

                        i wanted to watch closely how Richmond pressure, set up defensively, create turnovers, counter attack, then flood in numbers forward.........their main difference for me is their ability to flood forward in numbers via handballs once they cause the turnover..........they dont pull the trigger on the kick to early......they are patient for the right option but keep it alive via handballs so they dont have to mark and stop

                        we held our own for good parts of the game......but the patch where Jones made 3 turnovers in a row in the 2nd qtr gave richmond the fuel to keep pressuring in numbers and not back off

                        .........

                        i suspect we will see better forward entries with the likes of Taylor, Gray and maybe Stephens in 2020
                        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                        • dimelb
                          pr. dim-melb; m not f
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 6889

                          Interesting thoughts there AG.

                          Jonesy was a bit of a teaser, varying between hard nut goal kicker and klutzish runner who either thought he could outrun the opposition or didn't get a "hot" call from his mates - or perhaps did, but didn't hear it or perhaps believe it.

                          In the end I don't regret losing him after seeing what some of our youngsters are producing.
                          He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                          • Aprilbr
                            Senior Player
                            • Oct 2016
                            • 1803

                            I'm predicting that Jones will have a good season for the Saints. He was pretty good for us last season when fit. He is now coming into his prime. Sadly, we did not get much in return for him. Problem when they're coming out of contract.

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                            • Auntie.Gerald
                              Veterans List
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 6480

                              ps noticed nannygate is the third best clearance player at the tigers and as mentioned before, the tiges are well down the list on clearances

                              it is almost like the way the tigers play nanny in the initial ruck...... is to re-set the clearance away from the original contest by him following up so quickly while the other ruckman is getting to his feet

                              A little like how AA did for us......chasing after his own hit out or spoil.

                              nanny aint that quick..... but he is there before the other ruckman to create a tackle or a clearance........it almost appears pre meditated to negate the dominance of a bigger taller better tap ruckman

                              simple but seriously effective
                              "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                              • bloodspirit
                                Clubman
                                • Apr 2015
                                • 4448

                                I'm going to have a go:

                                Lloyd Rampe Brand
                                Dawson Aliir Mills

                                Naismith JPK Parker
                                Florent Hewett Blakey

                                Papley Reid Heeney
                                Hayward Buddy McCartin

                                Rowbottom, Harry C, Stephens, Gray


                                If Buddy is not available, consider Sinclair/Squizzy/COR depending on match ups (if COR, then I guess Dawson or Lloyd gets pushed upfield so COR can play back).

                                That is not a bad team. The midfield is not A grade but could become so - is a good mix of youth and experience and also of ballwinners (JPK, Parker, Hewett) with outside speed. And apart from those lining up in the middle, players like Papley, Gray, Rowbottom, Stephens, Heeney, Dawson and Squizzy (if selected) able to rotate through as well. The forward line is excellent, especially if Buddy is playing. If he isn't, we have taller and shorter options depending on match ups. The backline has lost a lot of experience but is well drilled enough to cope adequately. It might be a smidge on the shorter side but with Reid and McCartin able to swing back that should not be too much of an issue.

                                The amount of depth waiting in the wings (much of it raw and untested or not ready yet) is so exciting. Selection will be tough and that's a great problem to have.
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