2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Melbourne_Blood]

If we could get more points from elsewhere why not offer 3 and 22 for pick 2?

Wait, are we talking about us or North here Webbo?


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[Markwebbos]

Serong/Stephens is not an issue at the moment and may never be an issue, 9 times out of 10 you pick the Swans fan but Stephens doesnt appear to be a flight risk.

Rucks
There are 3 rucks in the comp, Gawn/Grundy/Nicnat that inflate the value of the rest of the rucks.
Having one of these is a diference maker, most of the others are just toilers that negate each other.

Drafting Rucks
English has fooled everyone with his development, he is soon to be in the above group but is 3yrs ahead of the curve for development.

Drafting Rucks with a top 5 pick
Madness, 5 yrs from a payoff if they stay injury free and even then its still speculative.

Sydneys Ruck situation
We need a ruck now not in 5yrs
Melb, with Gawn, have the luxury of not having to play Macdonald in the ruck, if at all only short spurts ours would have to play ruck.

Top 3 Pick
Last rating has 4 of the top 5 picks as Key Position, we could essentially get the best rated mid in the draft, 2 of the best 4 if you include Cambpell, you have to take that everytime. Freo did it with Brayshaw and Cerra and it is paying dividends

Grundy was drafted in 2012 and playing the next year albeit not in full flight. I think if you want to have a top flight ruck, you probably have got to burn a reasonable pick on them. Not top 10 (Nic Nat is a freak), but maybe 15-35. And you’ll get a player that doesn’t spend 5 years developing. Look at McCartin who is way ahead on his KPF/D trajectory.. Grundy. English. Jackson.

I like the sound of Henry Walsh who should be in that range if we can engineer the pick.

If MacDonald or Hollands are available I think they sound better prospects than Thilthorpe.

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Wait, are we talking about us or North here Webbo?


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I’m saying we see if Norf want to swap pick 2 and 1 or 2 lower picks for our 3 and 22. Similar number of points. It suits us to go up one place. We don’t care what our next pick is after that. Might suit them if they aren’t into talls or want to take a mid first.

[707]

Think we just sit tight on pick 3 and hope no idiot club offers Brad Crouch a contract to attract pick 2 compo. The only ones that think there's an idiot club out there are the Adelaide media and half of the Crows BF posters.

Hollands, Campbell, Gulden, three elite kicks can change our whole game plan to be very attacking through the middle :-)

[waswan]

No point burning Pick 22 to go up a spot..... Im sure Plan B at Pick 3 will be OK

Would make sense in a Matt Rowell draft though

[Cosmic Wizard]

Completely agree with 707; with need elite midfielders, although i would take Tanner Bruhn.

Not sure why anyone would want to swap picks 3 and 22 for pick 2; that 3079 points for 2517 points.

What we should do is trade some surplus players for North's pick 11, and maybe our 4 rounder.

When a bid comes for Campbell, we can cover it and have some spare picks at the end.

Also the Doggies want points, we should trade out last three picks for their first rounder.

If we need some more points, just swap a future third or fourth rounder for some points.

They are screaming for some points, lets help them.

And if we are recruiting Campbell and Gulden, will we need Florent??

Hawthorn need and are looking for someone like him

So lets package him with Ronke and see if they will give us their first and second rounder this year, and first rounder for next year.

If Source Jacob can retire with a year on his contract, we need to "retire" Naismith.

Really sad, but we have tried since 2014; and he only has 30 games to his name, out of around 160.

And one final point, we could always trade next year future first for two of Geelong first rounder this year.

This is a strong draft, we a lot of good talent, like ruckmen, later on in the draft.

[Mutley]

Not sure why we would not look to someone like Lloyd meek form Dockers, in our age bracket to develop with the rest of the team, stuck behind another emerging young ruck - Sean Darcy and a strong second option Rory Lobb. Has a year left on his contract and would not cost a lot in picks.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Completely agree with 707; with need elite midfielders, although i would take Tanner Bruhn.

Not sure why anyone would want to swap picks 3 and 22 for pick 2; that 3079 points for 2517 points.

What we should do is trade some surplus players for North's pick 11, and maybe our 4 rounder.

When a bid comes for Campbell, we can cover it and have some spare picks at the end.

Also the Doggies want points, we should trade out last three picks for their first rounder.

If we need some more points, just swap a future third or fourth rounder for some points.

They are screaming for some points, lets help them.

And if we are recruiting Campbell and Gulden, will we need Florent??

Hawthorn need and are looking for someone like him

So lets package him with Ronke and see if they will give us their first and second rounder this year, and first rounder for next year.

If Source Jacob can retire with a year on his contract, we need to "retire" Naismith.

Really sad, but we have tried since 2014; and he only has 30 games to his name, out of around 160.

And one final point, we could always trade next year future first for two of Geelong first rounder this year.

This is a strong draft, we a lot of good talent, like ruckmen, later on in the draft.

You think Florent and Ronke could net two first round picks and a second round pick ? Love your optimism ...


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[rb4x]

Campbell and Gulden are not going to be stars in their first year. Need to hang on to players like Florent who I think will be very good for us in the next couple of years.

[Ludwig]

If we could get more points from elsewhere why not offer 3 and 22 for pick 2?

Picks 3 and 22 are way too much to move up 1 spot in the draft. The difference in value points is equivalent to a pick 49. Perhaps Pick 3 and Ben Ronke would be worth consideration from North.

In the end it will probably depend on whether North are dead set on getting a tall forward, or they have another player, like Hollands, in mind for their pick. They would know that we are targeting a tall forward, so it would be a free player for them in that case. In a strange twist of logic, we can say that if North are interested in swapping picks 2 and 3, we probably don't have to do it. North have so many needs, I doubt they see any one player as the solution.

Although I have my reservations about Daniher, if he does end up at the Swans, getting a tall forward at pick 3 is less important, and perhaps someone like Hollands would be a good choice. This is going to be the first piece in the post season to drop. After that decision, we can re-evaluate the landscape.

[waswan]

Earlier in the year floreant was being spruiked by media as an upcoming gun.

He is the guy you poach from teams at his age, not let walk out

[The Runner]

There's no point trading picks unless it's for increased points available. Sending picks for players puts the academy boys at risk. And by all reports, we want them.

We also shouldn't want to prioritise drafting a ruck over a midfielder at the top end. And probably not a big forward unless it's like one of the King boys. They take years to develop. Matt Taberner looked great for Freo this year, finally, and he's 27. That's an extreme example, but it's a number of years before these players are truly competitive. We want to be contending again in 2 years from now.
Pick the best player at #4 that we can. If they happens to be a forward, then sure, go for it.

[Syd76]

The top end of this years draft is biased towards talls. It would be lunacy if we would consider trading out pick 3 or not picking up a tall, particularly when we have one of the best if not the best rated mids coming in and we have a dearth of good young talls (McCartin (and maybe Blakey if you want to call play him as one) aside).

Get a tall in, our two academy's and pick up for next to nothing a ruck and within the next two years we are looking good.

[waswan]

Mids all day long
In 5 yrs we will be upset about missing the 30 possession player not the 1.5goals a game player.

Papley is a star and a top fwd..... 1.5 goals a game and taken out of games

[Markwebbos]

Picks 3 and 22 are way too much to move up 1 spot in the draft. The difference in value points is equivalent to a pick 49. Perhaps Pick 3 and Ben Ronke would be worth consideration from North.

In the end it will probably depend on whether North are dead set on getting a tall forward, or they have another player, like Hollands, in mind for their pick. They would know that we are targeting a tall forward, so it would be a free player for them in that case. In a strange twist of logic, we can say that if North are interested in swapping picks 2 and 3, we probably don't have to do it. North have so many needs, I doubt they see any one player as the solution.

Although I have my reservations about Daniher, if he does end up at the Swans, getting a tall forward at pick 3 is less important, and perhaps someone like Hollands would be a good choice. This is going to be the first piece in the post season to drop. After that decision, we can re-evaluate the landscape.

You are right Ludwig. No point swapping unless we are both into the same player, in which case why would they do it.

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I can’t believe they are forcing us to sit through finals before the fun starts!

[stevoswan]

Earlier in the year floreant was being spruiked by media as an upcoming gun.

He is the guy you poach from teams at his age, not let walk out

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