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19 July 2020, 07:05 PM

Article about the challenges for recruiters with this year's draft: iviewListen</a>.<br /> <br /> Is a good time for all the many clubs, including us, who have priority access to known prospects. If we're drafting Campbell and Gulden, much of the uncertainty is removed.<br /> <br /> Also a good time to have a top 5 draft pick because, you'd think, there's less speculation with those top picks.<br /> <br /> Lastly, it will be a good year to trade back for future picks because it seems next year's draft is likely to be much stronger. </div> </div> <div class="post-signature restore">All opinions are not equal. 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class="b-post__hide-when-deleted"> <div class="OLD__post-content h-padding-vert-xl"> <div class="js-post__content-text restore h-wordwrap" itemprop="text"> <div class="bbcode_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote"> <div class="quote_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote_container b-icon-fa b-icon-fa--24 fa-solid fa-quote-left"></div> <div class="bbcode_postedby"> Originally posted by <strong>Roadrunner</strong> <a href="https://redandwhiteonline.com/forum/footy-forums/rwo-swans-afl-chat/38630-2020-trading-drafting-and-list-management-players-and-personnel?p=1099963#post1099963" rel="nofollow" title="View Post" class="animate-scroll"> <span class="b-icon-fa b-icon-fa--16 fa-solid fa-angles-right" aria-hidden="true"></span> </a> </div> <div class="message">Guys, I don’t want to criticise KB and his team, but have we received any (even 1) top player via trade or draft over the last few years? Maybe Mills, but we keep playing him in defence. They either haven’t developed or been injured- it’s like we’ve been jinxed! Other teams have done a lot better and I’m not convinced that our current list has the potential we all thought. Ollie is case in point- has some talent but so inconsistent! Frustrating to say the least. We’ve had a great run but there doesn’t seem to be much joy in the near future- we need to play like a team and learn to pass properly- is that too much to expect from AFL players? How I miss Buddy!</div> </div> </div> </div>If you want to feel better, watch this. <a href="https://www.afl.com.au/news/433682/-don-t-stuff-it-up-sydney-draft-prospect-s-buddy-nerves" target="_blank">https://www.afl.com.au/news/433682/-...s-buddy-nerves</a><br /> <br /> That left boot is a weapon.<br /> <br /> <span style="color:silver"><span style="font-size:8px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span><br /> <br /> <div class="bbcode_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote"> <div class="quote_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote_container b-icon-fa b-icon-fa--24 fa-solid fa-quote-left"></div> <div class="bbcode_postedby"> Originally posted by <strong>Roadrunner</strong> <a href="https://redandwhiteonline.com/forum/footy-forums/rwo-swans-afl-chat/38630-2020-trading-drafting-and-list-management-players-and-personnel?p=1099963#post1099963" rel="nofollow" title="View Post" class="animate-scroll"> <span class="b-icon-fa b-icon-fa--16 fa-solid fa-angles-right" aria-hidden="true"></span> </a> </div> <div class="message">Guys, I don’t want to criticise KB and his team, but have we received any (even 1) top player via trade or draft over the last few years? Maybe Mills, but we keep playing him in defence. They either haven’t developed or been injured- it’s like we’ve been jinxed! Other teams have done a lot better and I’m not convinced that our current list has the potential we all thought. Ollie is case in point- has some talent but so inconsistent! Frustrating to say the least. We’ve had a great run but there doesn’t seem to be much joy in the near future- we need to play like a team and learn to pass properly- is that too much to expect from AFL players? How I miss Buddy!</div> </div> </div> </div>If you want to feel better, watch this<br /> <br /> <div class="b-bbcode b-bbcode__url b-bbcode__url--preview"> <a href="https://www.afl.com.au/news/433682/-don-t-stuff-it-up-sydney-draft-prospect-s-buddy-nerves" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class="urlimg_container"> <img class="js-img-fallback" src="https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/photo/2019/11/30/8808fcd8-e298-49e1-974c-8ad9accc50e3/FefVqZPB.jpg"> </a> <div class="urlinfo"> <div class="title ellipsis"> <a href="https://www.afl.com.au/news/433682/-don-t-stuff-it-up-sydney-draft-prospect-s-buddy-nerves" target="_blank"> 'Don't stuff it up': Sydney draft prospect's Buddy nerves </a> </div> <div class="url ellipsis"> <a href="https://www.afl.com.au/news/433682/-don-t-stuff-it-up-sydney-draft-prospect-s-buddy-nerves" target="_blank"> https://www.afl.com.au/news/433682/-don-t-stuff-it-up-sydney-draft-prospect-s-buddy-nerves </a> </div> <div class="meta"> The Swans will have first access on Academy product Braeden Campbell at the NAB AFL Draft </div> </div> </div><br /> <br /> That left boot is a weapon. </div> </div> <div class="post-signature restore">He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.</div> </div> </div> <div class="h-flex-spacer h-margin-top-16"></div> <div class="b-post__footer h-hide--on-preview"> <ul class="b-post__footer__postinfo js-post-info"></ul> <div class="b-post__footer__bottom-bar"> <ul class="b-post__footer--hide-on-empty"></ul> <div class=""> <div class="reactions reactions__footer-container"> <div class="reactions__topic-reactions-container js-topic-reactions-list" data-nodeid="1099980"> </div> </div> </div> <div class="b-post__footer__controls-wrapper"> <ul class="js-post-controls b-comp-menu-horizontal js-comp-menu-horizontal js-comp-menu--dropdown-on-xsmall b-comp-menu-dropdown--inactive" data-node-id="1099980" data-dropdown-icon-classes="b-icon 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class="b-post__hide-when-deleted"> <div class="OLD__post-content h-padding-vert-xl"> <div class="js-post__content-text restore h-wordwrap" itemprop="text"> <div class="bbcode_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote"> <div class="quote_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote_container b-icon-fa b-icon-fa--24 fa-solid fa-quote-left"></div> <div class="bbcode_postedby"> Originally posted by <strong>Roadrunner</strong> <a href="https://redandwhiteonline.com/forum/footy-forums/rwo-swans-afl-chat/38630-2020-trading-drafting-and-list-management-players-and-personnel?p=1099963#post1099963" rel="nofollow" title="View Post" class="animate-scroll"> <span class="b-icon-fa b-icon-fa--16 fa-solid fa-angles-right" aria-hidden="true"></span> </a> </div> <div class="message">Guys, I don’t want to criticise KB and his team, but have we received any (even 1) top player via trade or draft over the last few years? Maybe Mills, but we keep playing him in defence. They either haven’t developed or been injured- it’s like we’ve been jinxed! Other teams have done a lot better and I’m not convinced that our current list has the potential we all thought. Ollie is case in point- has some talent but so inconsistent! Frustrating to say the least. We’ve had a great run but there doesn’t seem to be much joy in the near future- we need to play like a team and learn to pass properly- is that too much to expect from AFL players? How I miss Buddy!</div> </div> </div> </div>I tend to agree. With Academy picks and a bit of smart trading, we shouldnt have fallen away from the pack. Its only 4 years ago we were premiers*. <br /> Drafting has been poor, but worst of all is our attempts to trade in players. Most have been duds.<br /> <br /> ( * - AFL has retrospectively awarded us the 2016 grand final after a review of umpiring found massive scales of corruption). </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="h-flex-spacer h-margin-top-16"></div> <div class="b-post__footer h-hide--on-preview"> <ul class="b-post__footer__postinfo js-post-info"></ul> <div class="b-post__footer__bottom-bar"> <ul class="b-post__footer--hide-on-empty"></ul> <div class=""> <div class="reactions reactions__footer-container"> <div class="reactions__topic-reactions-container js-topic-reactions-list" data-nodeid="1099988"> </div> </div> </div> <div class="b-post__footer__controls-wrapper"> <ul class="js-post-controls b-comp-menu-horizontal js-comp-menu-horizontal js-comp-menu--dropdown-on-xsmall b-comp-menu-dropdown--inactive" data-node-id="1099988" data-dropdown-icon-classes="b-icon b-icon__ellipsis" data-dropdown-content-classes="b-comp-menu-dropdown__content--right"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> <div 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class="b-post__hide-when-deleted"> <div class="OLD__post-content h-padding-vert-xl"> <div class="js-post__content-text restore h-wordwrap" itemprop="text"> <div class="bbcode_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote"> <div class="quote_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote_container b-icon-fa b-icon-fa--24 fa-solid fa-quote-left"></div> <div class="bbcode_postedby"> Originally posted by <strong>barry</strong> <a href="https://redandwhiteonline.com/forum/footy-forums/rwo-swans-afl-chat/38630-2020-trading-drafting-and-list-management-players-and-personnel?p=1099988#post1099988" rel="nofollow" title="View Post" class="animate-scroll"> <span class="b-icon-fa b-icon-fa--16 fa-solid fa-angles-right" aria-hidden="true"></span> </a> </div> <div class="message"><br /> Drafting has been poor,.</div> </div> </div> </div>I don't know how you can rate the drafting as poor. I think it's been excellent. The only criticism one can make involves Matt Ling, and that's not poor drafting, but rather poor luck, if it should turn out that he can't make it due to injuries which he sustained after being drafted. <br /> <br /> Most of the players coming under criticism have hardly played enough games (some no games at all) to be properly evaluated. <br /> <br /> How about picking up a gem like Papley with our last pick. Are we critical of that as well?<br /> <br /> In any case, I would reserve judgment on all matters until 2021. 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I think it's been excellent. The only criticism one can make involves Matt Ling, and that's not poor drafting, but rather poor luck, if it should turn out that he can't make it due to injuries which he sustained after being drafted. </div> </div> </div> </div>I completely agree. Look at our past five drafts: <br /> <br /> 2015 Mills, Dawson, Papley (all clearly good selections)<br /> 2016 Florent - going fine, fair value; Hayward- very good player emerging from some form doldrums<br /> 2017 Ling - unforeseeable injuries, McCartin - very good get at pick 30 odd, Stoddart - worth a go late 3rd rounder<br /> 2018 Blakey - anyone would have taken him at pick 10 + 20% discount, Rowbottom - good call, McInerney - bit speculative but I'm very happy so far<br /> 2019 - too soon to say but I'm not complaining. </div> </div> <div class="post-signature restore">All opinions are not equal. 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class="b-post__hide-when-deleted"> <div class="OLD__post-content h-padding-vert-xl"> <div class="js-post__content-text restore h-wordwrap" itemprop="text"> Depending on where our 1st draft pick stands we might try to wrench Mabior Chol from Richmond by swapping 1st round picks, which would be offering something around a late 1st rounder net. He's only a rookie at this point, but would be more valuable to us than them. <br /> <br /> If we finish bottom 3 we have a reasonable shot at either tall forward Riley Thilthorpe or Elijah Hollands (who may have been #1 except for his ACL injury in Feb). The Bulldogs will grab Jamarra Ugle-Google (NGA) wherever the bid comes, which will guarantee that they'll be in the premiership window for the next decade. Why don't we have a NGA zone? Why can't the Dinka people get automatic entry into the Swans' Academy? 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class="b-post__hide-when-deleted"> <div class="OLD__post-content h-padding-vert-xl"> <div class="js-post__content-text restore h-wordwrap" itemprop="text"> <div class="bbcode_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote"> <div class="quote_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote_container b-icon-fa b-icon-fa--24 fa-solid fa-quote-left"></div> <div class="bbcode_postedby"> Originally posted by <strong>giant</strong> <a href="https://redandwhiteonline.com/forum/footy-forums/rwo-swans-afl-chat/38630-2020-trading-drafting-and-list-management-players-and-personnel?p=1099583#post1099583" rel="nofollow" title="View Post" class="animate-scroll"> <span class="b-icon-fa b-icon-fa--16 fa-solid fa-angles-right" aria-hidden="true"></span> </a> </div> <div class="message">One thing that surprises me about the Academy is that we don't appear to have found any giants. You think the Academy recruiting folk would wander the streets spotting young stringbeans asking them what they wanted to do with their lives. Surely our next ruckman is out there somewhere.</div> </div> </div> </div>They have a couple they are working with, outside of the U18 group. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="h-flex-spacer h-margin-top-16"></div> <div class="b-post__footer h-hide--on-preview"> <ul class="b-post__footer__postinfo js-post-info"></ul> <div class="b-post__footer__bottom-bar"> <ul class="b-post__footer--hide-on-empty"></ul> <div class=""> <div class="reactions reactions__footer-container"> <div class="reactions__topic-reactions-container js-topic-reactions-list" data-nodeid="1100028"> </div> </div> </div> <div class="b-post__footer__controls-wrapper"> <ul class="js-post-controls b-comp-menu-horizontal js-comp-menu-horizontal js-comp-menu--dropdown-on-xsmall b-comp-menu-dropdown--inactive" data-node-id="1100028" data-dropdown-icon-classes="b-icon b-icon__ellipsis" data-dropdown-content-classes="b-comp-menu-dropdown__content--right"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> <div 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class="b-post__hide-when-deleted"> <div class="OLD__post-content h-padding-vert-xl"> <div class="js-post__content-text restore h-wordwrap" itemprop="text"> <div class="bbcode_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote"> <div class="quote_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote_container b-icon-fa b-icon-fa--24 fa-solid fa-quote-left"></div> <div class="bbcode_postedby"> Originally posted by <strong>bloodspirit</strong> <a href="https://redandwhiteonline.com/forum/footy-forums/rwo-swans-afl-chat/38630-2020-trading-drafting-and-list-management-players-and-personnel?p=1100009#post1100009" rel="nofollow" title="View Post" class="animate-scroll"> <span class="b-icon-fa b-icon-fa--16 fa-solid fa-angles-right" aria-hidden="true"></span> </a> </div> <div class="message">I completely agree. Look at our past five drafts: <br /> <br /> 2015 Mills, Dawson, Papley (all clearly good selections)<br /> 2016 Florent - going fine, fair value; Hayward- very good player emerging from some form doldrums<br /> 2017 Ling - unforeseeable injuries, McCartin - very good get at pick 30 odd, Stoddart - worth a go late 3rd rounder<br /> 2018 Blakey - anyone would have taken him at pick 10 + 20% discount, Rowbottom - good call, McInerney - bit speculative but I'm very happy so far<br /> 2019 - too soon to say but I'm not complaining.</div> </div> </div> </div>Fair points bloodspirit- some good players there. However, from that group only Paps is a star and he is from 2015. To win a flag we need at least 6 players with his energy and ability and another 16 above average. This is hard to achieve but we’ve done it before with a combination of smart trading and draft picks. Our current team has the required stars but half are out injured and the rest are bang average at best. I love our guys and know they are trying their best, but I’m just not sure if their skills are good enough.Are they being played out of position or are there coaching issues? It’s not about not winning games- it’s the way we play. Our attacking forays make it too easy for the opposition to defend. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="h-flex-spacer h-margin-top-16"></div> <div class="b-post__footer h-hide--on-preview"> <ul class="b-post__footer__postinfo js-post-info"></ul> <div class="b-post__footer__bottom-bar"> <ul class="b-post__footer--hide-on-empty"></ul> <div class=""> <div class="reactions reactions__footer-container"> <div class="reactions__topic-reactions-container js-topic-reactions-list" data-nodeid="1100039"> </div> </div> </div> <div class="b-post__footer__controls-wrapper"> <ul class="js-post-controls b-comp-menu-horizontal js-comp-menu-horizontal js-comp-menu--dropdown-on-xsmall b-comp-menu-dropdown--inactive" data-node-id="1100039" data-dropdown-icon-classes="b-icon b-icon__ellipsis" data-dropdown-content-classes="b-comp-menu-dropdown__content--right"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> <div class="edit-conversation-container"></div> <div class="b-comment-entry js-comment-entry comment-entry-box 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We will get Daniher for nothing, except a decent contract.<br /> And dominant rucks are overrated. Lycett, Simpson and Nankervis are middle of the road rucks with premiership medals. We just need someone who can compete and go take a grab around the ground.<br /> <br /> Beyond that, it's hard to specifically diagnose what we need, as our issue is more that the players are still developing. 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