2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Melbourne_Blood]

Papley and pick 3 to Carlton for Cripps?

I wouldn’t do that trade to be honest but they would never trade him, they still lack a bit for midfield depth.


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[Melbourne_Blood]

I'd be dangling that pick 3/4/whatever it is in front of teams big time to see what sort of quality player we could land with it.

Yeah it’d be interesting. As much as we’re on the right path with our youth, injecting some top end established talent in the right age bracket will only help their development I feel. And obviously help us get back into contention sooner.


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[Markwebbos]

I’d be interested who people think that might be?

[Melbourne_Blood]

I’d be interested who people think that might be?

That’s the problem. Most of those that come to mind aren’t going to be gettable. Neale, Petracca , Darcy Moore, Taranto , Zak Jones haha!


That’s why it would be interesting to see if we did put our ( currently ) pick 2 on the table, what interest that might generate and who might be gettable.


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[707]

Take pick 2 to the draft, we're building for the future, plus Campbell & Gulden.

Kennedy, Buddy & Hewett added for 2021 as well.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Take pick 2 to the draft, we're building for the future, plus Campbell & Gulden.

Kennedy, Buddy & Hewett added for 2021 as well.

I would still ask the question. You can draft and draft and draft in top end talent until the cows come home but it doesn’t always work out. See Gold Coast for most of their existence, up until recently. You still need to add in good established players ( see also Gold Coast, pick 2 for Weller is now looking a good gamble ). That and the heavily compromised nature of this years draft means we won’t likely get full value for an early pick.

I’m happy with our drafting recently, and we know we have a couple of guns in this coming draft we will land. Why not at least see what a pick 2 (?) can yield on the trade table , even bundled up with a future pick ?


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[MattW]

Sinclair is visibly playing poorly, but is also having the worst season of his career stats-wise.

Career worst average disposals (7.8), goals (0.3) and free kicks against/free kick differential (1.8/-0.8). He is a non-factor around the ground and a liability in the ruck.

Among ruckmen, he's:
- 19th for average AFL fantasy points a
- 22nd for hitout win % (Naismith is 5th - sob)
- 15th in ave hitouts (Naismith 7th)
- 13th in hitous to adv (Naismith 6th)
- 28th in score involvements

He's a significant liability. I think he frustrates Longmire too, and I wonder whether John is considering giving Amartey a go, particularly if/when we get a few other senior players back.

[bloodspirit]

Sinclair is visibly playing poorly, but is also having the worst season of his career stats-wise.

Career worst average disposals (7.8), goals (0.3) and free kicks against/free kick differential (1.8/-0.8). He is a non-factor around the ground and a liability in the ruck.

Among ruckmen, he's:
- 19th for average AFL fantasy points a
- 22nd for hitout win % (Naismith is 5th - sob)
- 15th in ave hitouts (Naismith 7th)
- 13th in hitous to adv (Naismith 6th)
- 28th in score involvements

He's a significant liability. I think he frustrates Longmire too, and I wonder whether John is considering giving Amartey a go, particularly if/when we get a few other senior players back.

Alarming and eye opening stats. There's no question our ruck is a big problem. Maybe we will hang on to Naismith after all. But that won't be enough. I'm coming around to giving Amartey a run, if he's in firm. But he's coming back from injury himself and hasn't played much.

I suspect that Knoll would have debuted by now if he wasn't also injured.

What's the latest with McLean? Not that he's the answer, but is he injured or just omitted?

[Captain]

We need to trade in some decent mid range players from other teams. The trade ban didn’t help but we haven’t successfully done this for a long time.

Mummy, JPK, Mattner, Shaw etc were fantastic. But that was a long time ago.

Lewis and Gray have been epic failures. Sinclair hasn’t worked out either.

We didn’t have one decent player from another team play yesterday.

Saints had key players including Jones, Ryder, Butler, Membrey, Hill etc

[Ralph Dawg]

We need to trade in some decent mid range players from other teams. The trade ban didn’t help but we haven’t successfully done this for a long time.

Mummy, JPK, Mattner, Shaw etc were fantastic. But that was a long time ago.

Lewis and Gray have been epic failures. Sinclair hasn’t worked out either.

We didn’t have one decent player from another team play yesterday.

Saints had key players including Jones, Ryder, Butler, Membrey, Hill etc

Agree 100%. Saints showing how adding in some mature age talent can lift a team from the basement to the penthouse quickly. GC likewise. We have some exciting kids who will potentially be good but there's still a big gap between our youngsters and our stars. I wonder if guys like Sier, Drew or Constable would thrive JPK style if given more opportunity and responsibility?

[The Runner]

We need to trade in some decent mid range players from other teams. The trade ban didn’t help but we haven’t successfully done this for a long time.

Mummy, JPK, Mattner, Shaw etc were fantastic. But that was a long time ago.

Lewis and Gray have been epic failures. Sinclair hasn’t worked out either.

We didn’t have one decent player from another team play yesterday.

Saints had key players including Jones, Ryder, Butler, Membrey, Hill etc

Ryder has a season left in him. Butler was fortune.
Jones is good, but highly overrated on his impact in a game. Still goes in and out a lot of the game, and doesn't do the team things. We should give it another 12 months before marking that.
Hill has been incredibly inconsistent for them, and cost them in the draft.

We didn't go the recycled players path, and have Taylor, Stephens, Gould, Ling, Rowbottom and Blakey coming through, who should all be topline players for 5-10 years by all reports.

This season we're going to be incredibly inconsistent. Just look at the change in tone over the past 21 days.
But imagine next season, when these kids are another year older. And the likes of Hewett, Buddy, Kennedy, Heeney are coming in and the likes of Gray, Cunningham, Taylor and Sinclair are going out.
We'll bounce back quicker than some expect.

[Ludwig]

Sinclair is visibly playing poorly, but is also having the worst season of his career stats-wise.

Career worst average disposals (7.8), goals (0.3) and free kicks against/free kick differential (1.8/-0.8). He is a non-factor around the ground and a liability in the ruck.

Among ruckmen, he's:
- 19th for average AFL fantasy points a
- 22nd for hitout win % (Naismith is 5th - sob)
- 15th in ave hitouts (Naismith 7th)
- 13th in hitous to adv (Naismith 6th)
- 28th in score involvements

He's a significant liability. I think he frustrates Longmire too, and I wonder whether John is considering giving Amartey a go, particularly if/when we get a few other senior players back.

We can't go into next season with Sinclair as our ruckman. He's only good for a backup in case of injury to our regular ruckman, which means he will probably play a lot of football anyway.

Unfortunately, McLean doesn't seem much of a ruckman either, but he's undersized and still young, so I won't be too harsh on him.

I think we need to play Amartey until we're convinced that he's not any good either. But when you only have hope, you have to go with it.

Once Knoll if fit to play, we should bring him in and give him a shot at have a season ending injury. Everyone deserves a chance.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Lewis and Gray have been epic failures. Sinclair hasn’t worked out either.

Grey is contracted till the end of next year and LewisT till the end of the year after, agreed - so while so far it doesn't look good. But for good or ill, their contracts mean they have lots of time time to try to redeem themselves, maybe one or the other may Morton?

I think Sinkers not working out is more to do with misuse. We got him as a forward target / relief ruckman (it's what he is) and judge him because her hasn't made it as our primary ruckman. Might as well blame Buddy for not being a pack marking key forward.

Trying to turn a forward target / relief ruckman into a primary ruckman. never seems to work other than in the short term - and probably shortens careers. Seeing Marshall/Ryder in action, reinforced my predisposition to believe that a team can successfully play two rucks - even in 2020.

[TheBloods]

Too much blind faith. We draft some kids the club tells us are highly talented, and some young Swans play some good games here and there, and suddenly that's enough to convince us that our next great team is already on the list.

If that group of Aliir, Hewett, Heeney, Mills, Dawson, Papley, Florent, Hayward, Ling, McCartin, Blakey, Rowbottom, McInerney, Stephens, Gould and Taylor are the ones taking us forward, then we are in for a very rough decade.

With the exception of Heeney and Papley, there is not one top-line star in that group.

[troyjones2525]

Too much blind faith. We draft some kids the club tells us are highly talented, and some young Swans play some good games here and there, and suddenly that's enough to convince us that our next great team is already on the list.

If that group of Aliir, Hewett, Heeney, Mills, Dawson, Papley, Florent, Hayward, Ling, McCartin, Blakey, Rowbottom, McInerney, Stephens, Gould and Taylor are the ones taking us forward, then we are in for a very rough decade.

With the exception of Heeney and Papley, there is not one top-line star in that group.

Unfortunately it's looking that way. I've never been one to say we need to get rid of Horse but maybe a fresh face might help a few of these players going forward and perhaps play them in a different role that may prove more successful long term!

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