2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Nico]

I don’t know enough about the game to know if wingmen need specialist “tutoring” or how long it would take a new one like Smith to learn our game plan, running patterns etc.

How many specialists do we need? Smith is no Hodge. No thanks, would be a waste of a draft pick.

[Auntie.Gerald]

hhhhmmm

im sure if Reid and Buddy were on the park more then not we wouldnt be arguing strategy

those two featuring like Cameron, Hawkins, Reiwoldt etc would mean top8

but we went top heavy
we went for @@@@ senior cheapies last few years
we went for youth

we are 15 and 16th on the table last two years

as i posed last year we are an outside chance top8 in 2021........anyone want to place a $10,000 bet otherwise .........im all in !!!!

Nope it aint going to happen via laws of probability

3 years in the wilderness might be acceptable at some clubs

not others

I have no confidence to say we will be any better then a marginal top8 team in 2022

2023 could be worse......Giold Coast, Brisvegas killing it along with traditional teams in the top8 accept us

if that is acceptable good luck

not for me

[Markwebbos]

I’ve no idea what your point is AG?

[Auntie.Gerald]

current strategy not acceptable ?

other clubs smarter ?

I mean the hate on here for the Bombers is huge yet where are we ?

No one on here ever saids they rate the bombers or geelong which defies belief as we are 16th on the table ?

Taylor
Gray
Menzel
Clarke
Thurlow
McLean
Knoll
etc

[Melbourne_Blood]

current strategy not acceptable ?

other clubs smarter ?

I mean the hate on here for the Bombers is huge yet where are we ?

No one on here ever saids they rate the bombers or geelong etc

Taylor
Gray
Menzel
Clarke
Thurlow
McLean
Knoll
etc

We cast the net hoping for some diamonds in the rough and didn’t seem to work. It cost us donuts. We kept all our top draft picks in the process, and have a young list with a lot of promising talent. Would you prefer we went the st Kilda route and deleted ourselves from the first two rounds of two drafts to chase immediate success ( which they many not get by the way ) ?

I think almost everyone on here agrees, especially after Thursday, this team is on the right path. Some patience is required but I think the payoff will certainly be worth it. I would take your bet on top 8 next year, not for 10k but for $500.

Another year of development, Heeney Joey and ( hopefully ) Buddy into that mix. I could see us pinching 11-12 wins.


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[waswan]

No risky 10-year deals that eat up a significant portion of our salary cap. Buddy's nice to have, but he's given us nothing this year due to injury. We're in a weak position to offer decent deals for good players until Franklin retires due to the cap pressure.

Don't trade out players for less than they are worth. If Geelong could get two first-round draft picks for Kelly, we should have been able to get more for Jones than a second-round draft pick in the thirties. There are other examples.

Don't chase players at other clubs with a history of injuries. Games that Joe Daniher has played since the start of 2018: 11 (and none this year, last played 15 months ago).

Geelong have done well because they keep their list balanced and have avoided these recruitment problems.

Geelong have been consistently competitive for many years. The last time Geelong finished in the bottom 25% of the ladder was 1975 (11th of 12). Since 1975, Geelong's finishes in the bottom half of the ladder: 1977 (8/12), 1982 (9/12), 1983 (9/12), 1986 (9/12), 1988 (9/14), 1990 (10/14), 1998 (12/16), 1999 (11/16), 2001 (12/16), 2002 (9/16), 2003 (12/16), 2006 (10/16) and 2015 (10/18). Geelong's overall season records here.

Got to 2 GFS with Buddys deal, more than Geelong have done of late, they are the best regular season team but normally fall short come finals due to losing their home ground advantage

Ive said for years, Geelongs record is always inflated due to only ever playing interstate teams in Geelong

This year may just suit them and Richmond with some old wise heads

[Blood Fever]

Got to 2 GFS with Buddys deal, more than Geelong have done of late, they are the best regular season team but normally fall short come finals due to losing their home ground advantage

Ive said for years, Geelongs record is always inflated due to only ever playing interstate teams in Geelong

This year may just suit them and Richmond with some old wise heads

Agree with all of this. C.Scott has a terrible finals record compared to Longmire. They have a battle hardened team and the shortened season helps their old team. Wouldn't be surprised if they choked yet again though.

[Auntie.Gerald]

anyone else keen to bet ?.

MB are u serious?

We will be outside top8 3 years in a row no doubt!

Who's in?

I have 5 swans mates ready to match u

[stevoswan]

current strategy not acceptable ?

other clubs smarter ?

I mean the hate on here for the Bombers is huge yet where are we ?

No one on here ever saids they rate the bombers or geelong which defies belief as we are 16th on the table ?

Taylor
Gray
Menzel
Clarke
Thurlow
McLean
Knoll
etc

With an injury list just as long and with it, a lot of our experience.....delivers a young squad rebuilding and missing a large chunk of on field guidance......so maybe some perspective needed.
All clubs make recruiting mistakes and we're certainly not perfect.....but I think we're coming along nicely. I also see tangible signs of the Bloods Culture building in this young group. Exciting!

[AB Swannie]

I’m bewildered that Swans supporters would watch our last win and not be optimistic about our future. The fact that a person would be willing to stake $10000 on the belief that we will fail (and then presumably hope they win that bet) is something I find hard to comprehend from a true fan.

Each to their own I guess.

For some perspective:
2017 - Brisbane 18th
2018 - Brisbane 15th

I don’t have 10K to splash around but if I did I’d be backing our boys in especially after adding in pick 3/4, Gulden, and Campbell. Go bloods!

[snajik]

There's a part of me that would like to see JPK and Bud come back for the final game this year, just so the kids can see what the Swans team looks like with them in the lineup.

Yeah the Hodge move was in the back of my mind as well. But we don't need a Hodge type as we've got Rampe as a player and McVeigh as a coach so we're covered there. The wing is the one position where we lack an onfield tutor, or even a coach really. That's what got me thinking of Smith. If not Smith, then I wouldn't mind us looking at other veteran wingers, but I think he'd fit the bill nicely, he'd be able to give us 10-15 games for a couple of seasons and he teach the kids so much. I can't think of many other free agents that would fit that bill.

A part of me is quite concerned about where Buddy is at. He's now been out for 12 weeks due to this right hamstring injury courtesy of a running drill at training. i think i read he's only recently starting running again, and it could be another 4 weeks away from a return. 16 weeks to recover from a hamstring seems an incredibly long time. I seem to recall players in previous decades recovering in a week or two. It was described as bad at the time though no tendon damage. This follows on from his right knee injury which made him unavailable for the opening game against Adelaide, and the two left hamstring injuries which scuppered his 2019 season.

I'll be surprised if he's back this year. Though he needs to get some footy into him.

[AB Swannie]

A part of me is quite concerned about where Buddy is at. He's now been out for 12 weeks due to this right hamstring injury courtesy of a running drill at training. i think i read he's only recently starting running again, and it could be another 4 weeks away from a return. 16 weeks to recover from a hamstring seems an incredibly long time. I seem to recall players in previous decades recovering in a week or two. It was described as bad at the time though no tendon damage. This follows on from his right knee injury which made him unavailable for the opening game against Adelaide, and the two left hamstring injuries which scuppered his 2019 season.

I'll be surprised if he's back this year. Though he needs to get some footy into him.

Agree with this. I know there are a few medicos/physios in this forum. Can anyone provide their expert opinion?

[caj23]

Agree with all of this. C.Scott has a terrible finals record compared to Longmire. They have a battle hardened team and the shortened season helps their old team. Wouldn't be surprised if they choked yet again though.

And if the cats do happen to win this year, his record will be better than Longmire’s

Hard to argue 2 premierships aren’t better than 1

[Auntie.Gerald]

let me get this right re choke vs being in contention or on the bottom of the table where you can watch the top8 play finals on your TV ?

would you rather live a healthy life and get hit by a bus unexpectedly at some stage who knows when?

or

would you rather eat like a pig, have high blood pressure and hope you live till 80 then die due to heart disease ?

I say give yourself the best chance to THRIVE !

might not be the answer for everyone?

I might have got hit with the idiot stick 4 times instead of twice !

I DONT SEE THAT THE SWANS ARE DOING THIS VS other teams like the CATS

playing against GWS was wonderful to watch
thats not the argument
I am pushing back against our recruitment strategy the last few years as it annoys me and it appears to be well below sub optimal
i dont like it

I do like watching juniors emerge
but why cant you have both?

Some juniors emerge and some stronger acquisition of snr players that bring it not fizzle like a wet log

I acknowledged injuries in an earlier .......but there are another 15 teams ahead of us that have had serious injuries as well

There is a fair argument to say that our long list of snr players recruited the last few years has been miles off what we needed

country miles !

[Blood Fever]

And if the cats do happen to win this year, his record will be better than Longmire’s

Hard to argue 2 premierships aren’t better than 1

In 2011 he inherited a flag from Thompson. Freak team that were only denied 4 flags because of woeful kicking v Hawks in 2008. By the way, were you happy with win v Giants and the coaching tactics?

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let me get this right re choke vs being in contention or on the bottom of the table where you can watch the top8 play finals on your TV ?

would you rather live a healthy life and get hit by a bus unexpectedly at some stage who knows when?

or

would you rather eat like a pig, have high blood pressure and hope you live till 80 then die due to heart disease ?

I say give yourself the best chance to THRIVE !

might not be the answer for everyone?

I might have got hit with the idiot stick 4 times instead of twice !

I DONT SEE THAT THE SWANS ARE DOING THIS VS other teams like the CATS

playing against GWS was wonderful to watch
thats not the argument
I am pushing back against our recruitment strategy the last few years as it annoys me and it appears to be well below sub optimal
i dont like it

I do like watching juniors emerge
but why cant you have both?

Some juniors emerge and some stronger acquisition of snr players that bring it not fizzle like a wet log

Not so long ago, you were leading the charge saying how happy you were with state of the list.