2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Melbourne_Blood]

I’m in the Ollie camp. He’s had a bit of an up and down year, but so has the team as a whole. He’s probably copping a bit more attention with a few others missing from our midfield too. I don’t agree that he’s a poor kick either, just his execution has let him down at times ( well quite a bit this year).

His last qtr against the hawks was a glimpse, and 22 is still pretty young don’t forget. Heeney is 2-3 years older and still relatively inconsistent.


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[TheBloods]

Hey TheBloods, don't let facts stand in the way! We didn't "let" Jetta, Mitchell and Jones go. For various reasons, they all left and we couldn't stop them. Hanners I agree we did offload, and I think we made the right decision.

Trade, let go, however you want to phrase it. The fact is what did we get for them? Mitchell a mid first rounder, the rest second round picks, and in the case of Jetta, a makeshift ruckman. They were hardly highly valuable assets when they departed the club, with the possible exception of Mitchell, and Florent has ways to go before offering close to what any of them did.

[TheBloods]

I’m in the Ollie camp. He’s had a bit of an up and down year, but so has the team as a whole. He’s probably copping a bit more attention with a few others missing from our midfield too. I don’t agree that he’s a poor kick either, just his execution has let him down at times ( well quite a bit this year).

His last qtr against the hawks was a glimpse, and 22 is still pretty young don’t forget. Heeney is 2-3 years older and still relatively inconsistent.


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Florent's foot skills are not isolated to this year unfortunately. He's been poor in this regard for a few years now. Might be time to accept he's just not a good kick ?

Heeney is inconsistent , but his games range from good to great, with nothing below. Florent's range from bad to good. Not a level of performance that fills me with hope. But i hope for his sake you are right and I am wrong , seems like a great fella.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Florent's foot skills are not isolated to this year unfortunately. He's been poor in this regard for a few years now. Might be time to accept he's just not a good kick ?

Heeney is inconsistent , but his games range from good to great, with nothing below. Florent's range from bad to good. Not a level of performance that fills me with hope. But i hope for his sake you are right and I am wrong , seems like a great fella.

I don’t accept it, he can absolutely kick the footy well . He just needs to execute better under pressure and make better decisions. He has the ability.

Also Heeney’s range is a bit wider then good to great, there is certainly some average and poor games in there.


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[dazedjosh]

I’m in the Ollie camp. He’s had a bit of an up and down year, but so has the team as a whole. He’s probably copping a bit more attention with a few others missing from our midfield too. I don’t agree that he’s a poor kick either, just his execution has let him down at times ( well quite a bit this year).

His last qtr against the hawks was a glimpse, and 22 is still pretty young don’t forget. Heeney is 2-3 years older and still relatively inconsistent.

I'm with you on the Florent bandwagon. His development over the last season and a half has been significant. His decision making has improved this season, but his kicking still needs a lot of work. Anecdotally, it seems that Florent's worst turnovers this year have been where he's kicking to the right teammate or area of the field, but his kick has been poor. A spring and summer of nothing but kicking drills should really help him. I think him and Stephens will be our wings for the next 8-10 years.

[Scottee]

Florent's foot skills are not isolated to this year unfortunately. He's been poor in this regard for a few years now. Might be time to accept he's just not a good kick ?

Heeney is inconsistent , but his games range from good to great, with nothing below. Florent's range from bad to good. Not a level of performance that fills me with hope. But i hope for his sake you are right and I am wrong , seems like a great fella.

I think Florent's disposal is suffering from not having a lot of help in the midfield and coming up against top opposition. He may adjust. Hope so. But on his kicking. He is one of the best set shots in the side IMHO. He could be valuable up forward.

[Blood Fever]

I think Florent's disposal is suffering from not having a lot of help in the midfield and coming up against top opposition. He may adjust. Hope so. But on his kicking. He is one of the best set shots in the side IMHO. He could be valuable up forward.

Agree his set shots are good. Field kicking needs work.

[waswan]

Agree his set shots are good. Field kicking needs work.

Probably taking over the Jones role a bit..... break a line, look up and nothing to kick to

[111431]

Probably taking over the Jones role a bit..... break a line, look up and nothing to kick to

i think you are right on that point but there are a couple of times a game when he does have time where he overkicks the target

[Syd76]

I think Florent's disposal is suffering from not having a lot of help in the midfield and coming up against top opposition. He may adjust. Hope so. But on his kicking. He is one of the best set shots in the side IMHO. He could be valuable up forward.

Agree.. Florent is doing very well given the lack of help in the guts. He will be a 200 game player.

Florent's footskills are good. Anyway should have could have would have.. the argument as to who we have taken vs who we should have taken are superfluous - though I suspect we lose some and win some. To be fair to KB, he has won a lot more than he has lost .

Let's worry about the things we can control and that is the next draft and trade period.

I'm pushing Connor Blakely's recruitment - he is seriously tough, unheralded and undervalued by Freo. Would be a second and third rounder, and he would slot straight in to our side. My mail from some inside guys at the Dockers is that the ex-players are perplexed why Longmuir isnt giving him a game, when clearly he is in the best 4 mids at Freo

[waswan]

I'm pushing Connor Blakely's recruitment - he is seriously tough, unheralded and undervalued by Freo. Would be a second and third rounder, and he would slot straight in to our side. My mail from some inside guys at the Dockers is that the ex-players are perplexed why Longmuir isnt giving him a game, when clearly he is in the best 4 mids at Freo

I rate Blakely but the reason he isnt getting a game is well documented.
Join the dots....
A player asked for a trade out of Freo last year and got it......That player no longer has a girlfriend.....
Need to be careful of the luggage you bring into a club

[Ludwig]

After raising the subject of recruiting Peter Wright, suddenly he's become a news item. Here are a few lines from SEN's Tim Watson, just one of several comments about why he can't get a game:

Whether it is at Gold Coast or at a new home, Watson believes Wright won’t make it as a key forward, but could make it as a ruckman who then rests inside 50.

“If you talked to people who watched him come through the juniors, he did get recruited as a forward, but I don’t see him being a modern day forward,” the former Essendon captain told SEN Breakfast.
“I think what you’ve got to do is look at him as a ruckman and can he play as a ruckman forward as opposed to a forward who rucks.

This was my thought about Wright. I think he has the attributes to be a ruckman, who can go forward. It's a bit like the last (good) days of Tippett, when he proved to be an excellent ruckman and a threat going forward.

He might be gettable for a fairly reasonable price, seeing that he's being devalued as a forward and not yet proven as a ruckman, and GC usually let their players go cheaply.

One negative is that I believe he's on a pretty big contract, but those things are usually worked out.

Given our draft position, we would probably have to use a 2nd or 3rd rounder from 2021 to do a trade. Then we can use our 1st pick on a KPF and get the 2 Academy boys with with the remainder. There may be some other pick swaps if Campbell gets bid early.

That would pretty much lock out Joe Daniher.

If we recruit and draft 4 players this year, there won't be much room for new players in 2021, as JPK is the only potential retirement next year, and even that I would rate less than 50%.

[Syd76]

No that is not the reason Waswan. I have it on very good authority. Apparently, despite a lot of ex players pushing for his selection it is believed that he has fallen out with one player who holds a lot of weight at the club.

Join the dots .... you are either with that player or you are out... dare I say it look at Lachnie Neale??

[waswan]

Lachie leaving had nothing to do with the Brownlow medallist but everything to do with Freos GC recruit that is now at Melb.....

Blakely did screw up and fell out of favour with the group not a player

[Markwebbos]

Syd76 and waswan I'm loving the nudge nudge wink wink nature of this thread. Although I don't fully understand the cryptic reference to Brad Hill's girlfriend.