2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • waswan
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2015
    • 2047

    Originally posted by Nico
    North has a staggering 22 players out of contract so will be trading for picks this trading season.
    This is why this season for Shaw means nothing, they are all about clearing the decks and hitting the draft for a few years.

    Id say Adelaide get the top 2 picks with Crouch leaving too, we get 3 or 4 with North

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    • 707
      Veterans List
      • Aug 2009
      • 6204

      Originally posted by waswan
      This is why this season for Shaw means nothing, they are all about clearing the decks and hitting the draft for a few years.

      Id say Adelaide get the top 2 picks with Crouch leaving too, we get 3 or 4 with North
      Crouch just isn't that good, wouldn't be in the top 30/35 midfielders. Doubt any club will give him enough $ and years to get Band 1 compo.

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      • waswan
        Senior Player
        • Oct 2015
        • 2047

        Originally posted by 707
        Crouch just isn't that good, wouldn't be in the top 30/35 midfielders. Doubt any club will give him enough $ and years to get Band 1 compo.
        Will be borderline, some club will throw at least 600k at him

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        • TheBloods
          Suspended by the MRP
          • Feb 2020
          • 2047

          Originally posted by Blood Fever
          Keep them coming! Stephens looks a very good kick as well.
          Too early to tell. Even truer with Campbell.

          Jury still out. Certainly not going to be getting excited for September action in five years time on the back of Florent, Stephens, Bell, Clarke, Warner and an 18 year old we haven't drafted yet.

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          • Thunder Shaker
            Aut vincere aut mori
            • Apr 2004
            • 4166

            Originally posted by Ludwig
            Meg, I read the article and was wondering if you could clarify something? One paragraph states:
            Does this mean that there is no discount for NGA matched bids?

            If it does, then Ugle-Hagan, rated pick 1 in this draft, is tied to the Western Bulldogs. He seems certain to be bid on by the 2nd pick at the latest. Matching the bid by the Bulldogs would wipe out all their points in the current draft and put them into deficit for next year. I still think they will match the bid, but there has to be some question about it.

            It's not out of the question that if the ladder stays where it is, Adelaide will take their local kid Thilthorpe without bidding of Ugle-Hagan, but I'm sure we would bid on him. Then it would be with the Bulldogs whether they would be willing to go into deficit for next year. Or course, they may trade away a player to get the points they need to match the bid with this year's points.

            I suppose I'm just saying that Ugle-Hagan is not out of the question for us.
            That is assuming the Bulldogs don't do some pick trading for more draft points. They may be interested in swapping out their first-rounder for multiple later picks, since they're not going to be using it anyway. They know an early bid on UH is coming, they would not be going to the draft blind.

            Pick 1 is 3000 points. With the discount, that becomes 2400 points. Depending on where they finish, the Bulldogs would only need to scrape up a few hundred points to avoid a points deficit.

            The sides with the first couple of picks should consider a bid on UH, just to make the Bulldogs tap out their picks. However, it may be unwise for Sydney to do so. Sydney would also be looking to gain more draft points as insurance for Campbell and Gulden. We would be competing with the Bulldogs for spare picks. On the other hand, if UH isn't drafted in the top 3, the Bulldogs may be looking to offload surplus draft picks in a live pick trade. Not bidding on UH may also allow us to trade with the Bulldogs to gain picks to draft Campbell and Gulden without difficulty while retaining our early pick.
            "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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            • Markwebbos
              Veterans List
              • Jul 2016
              • 7186

              Originally posted by waswan
              Will be borderline, some club will throw at least 600k at him
              I’m sure the AFL will be able to work some magic with their secret formula, like with Ty Vickery!

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              • stevoswan
                Veterans List
                • Sep 2014
                • 8546

                Originally posted by Ludwig
                But not 1 of them is worth recruiting. I'd take Jy Simpkim, but he's contracted till 1922.
                Wow, back to the future!????

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                • troyjones2525
                  Swans Fanatic!
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 2908

                  Originally posted by Ludwig
                  But not 1 of them is worth recruiting. I'd take Jy Simpkim, but he's contracted till 1922.
                  We could have drafted him. Was taken the pick after Florent from memory!

                  Sent from my SM-G977B using Tapatalk

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                  • Ralph Dawg
                    Senior Player
                    • Apr 2018
                    • 1729

                    Originally posted by troyjones2525
                    We could have drafted him. Was taken the pick after Florent from memory!

                    Sent from my SM-G977B using Tapatalk
                    Similar players and look very much alike too. If you said they were related, wouldn't be surprised!

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                    • Ludwig
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9359

                      Originally posted by troyjones2525
                      We could have drafted him. Was taken the pick after Florent from memory!
                      Yes. It was a tossup in my mind as to who we should take. I thought we made the right choice at the time, since Florent had a strong finish to the season and Simpklin was out most of the year with injury, even though he came into the season rated in the top 3 players in the draft.

                      Simpkin has had a big year, stepping up to fill the void in the midfield with the absence of Cunnington.

                      Florent has been eased slowly into the midfield. I'm much more upbeat about his progress than some on here. I think he's having a pretty good year.

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                      • waswan
                        Senior Player
                        • Oct 2015
                        • 2047

                        Originally posted by Ludwig
                        Florent has been eased slowly into the midfield. I'm much more upbeat about his progress than some on here. I think he's having a pretty good year.
                        Ollie is tracking very well, cant understand the negativity, he just needs to string together consistency, probably more an assessment of the team he is in.

                        For people thinking otherwise, be worth having a look at the 2016 Draft, picks 1 and 2 are clear standouts, more than happy with Ollie over the rest of the top 15. Tim Englidh at 19 the draft steal

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                        • lwjoyner
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 946

                          happy with ollie as well. not happy with Lewis Taylor, Gray.

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                          • Blood Fever
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 4041

                            Originally posted by Ludwig
                            Yes. It was a tossup in my mind as to who we should take. I thought we made the right choice at the time, since Florent had a strong finish to the season and Simpklin was out most of the year with injury, even though he came into the season rated in the top 3 players in the draft.

                            Simpkin has had a big year, stepping up to fill the void in the midfield with the absence of Cunnington.

                            Florent has been eased slowly into the midfield. I'm much more upbeat about his progress than some on here. I think he's having a pretty good year.
                            Florent is a good player but needs to improve his kicking. Also hangs on to the ball too long at times instead of taking simple first option. Still developing.

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                            • TheBloods
                              Suspended by the MRP
                              • Feb 2020
                              • 2047

                              Florent is developing yes, but is 22 now and still so far from where we need him to be. What if he doesn't improve his consistency, and these 15 possession games full of mostly missed kicks and missed tackles just never go away?

                              I could see us reaching a breaking point with Ollie where the bad will outweigh the good, and we will trade him. He is offering less than Jetta in 2015, Mitchell in 2016, Hanners in 2018, and Jones last year, and we let all of them go. Don't be surprised if Florent isn't any different if in a few years time we think we can improve the list without him on it.

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                              • Markwebbos
                                Veterans List
                                • Jul 2016
                                • 7186

                                Originally posted by TheBloods
                                Florent is developing yes, but is 22 now and still so far from where we need him to be. What if he doesn't improve his consistency, and these 15 possession games full of mostly missed kicks and missed tackles just never go away?

                                I could see us reaching a breaking point with Ollie where the bad will outweigh the good, and we will trade him. He is offering less than Jetta in 2015, Mitchell in 2016, Hanners in 2018, and Jones last year, and we let all of them go. Don't be surprised if Florent isn't any different if in a few years time we think we can improve the list without him on it.
                                Hey TheBloods, don't let facts stand in the way! We didn't "let" Jetta, Mitchell and Jones go. For various reasons, they all left and we couldn't stop them. Hanners I agree we did offload, and I think we made the right decision.

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